Zehkul wrote:

7bit wrote:OK, here comes NEO (first version). Please don't kill me if it is not what you think NEO should be!

Looks nice indeed! * on the O key is a bit off. Dead keys are missing, too, but I don’t really know what to do about them, either. RC-1140 suggested this.
The different font on ‚ „ compared to ‘ “ and ’ ” looks strange, too, kinda. Funny that SP can’t do ℓ (And ſ )

You should give me the LaTeX codes for these many quotation marks. The hand-written l would cost extra and the long s is obsolete since the late 1920s.

When writing Fraktur texts: you always: can use the ``:'' to indicate you don't want the long s!

The next round should be black on white.

My svg should help here, all symbols are included as Unicode Text.

The long s is simply sexy! "ſ" And the ℓ is the symbol for litres. One of the great advantages of the Neo Layout is that you don't have to remember all the LaTeX codes for all these special characters anymore, you simply enter them.

RC-1140 wrote:My svg should help here, all symbols are included as Unicode Text.

The long s is simply sexy! "ſ" And the ℓ is the symbol for litres. One of the great advantages of the Neo Layout is that you don't have to remember all the LaTeX codes for all these special characters anymore, you simply enter them.

Were are the integral signs? Greek letters? Set and group theory? Linear geometry? APL? Topology?

I demand to be able to enter ALL thinkable mathematical and other scientific symbols with my keyboard!

hehe, they are in the layers 4, 5, and 6. There you have all the Ξ√ΛℂΩ×ΨΓΦℚ∘⊂∫∀∃∈Σℕℝ∂Δ∇∩ℵΠℤ⇐⇔⇒↦Θξλχωκψγφϕςιαεοσνρτδυϵηπζβµϱϑθ
you want! All the above symbols were entered using the Neo layout. It's great! It just doesn't look great to put all the symbols on the Keycaps, so you usually stick to Layers 1, 2 and 3.

RC-1140 wrote:hehe, they are in the layers 4, 5, and 6. There you have all the Ξ√ΛℂΩ×ΨΓΦℚ∘⊂∫∀∃∈Σℕℝ∂Δ∇∩ℵΠℤ⇐⇔⇒↦Θξλχωκψγφϕςιαεοσνρτδυϵηπζβµϱϑθ
you want! All the above symbols were entered using the Neo layout. It's great! It just doesn't look great to put all the symbols on the Keycaps, so you usually stick to Layers 1, 2 and 3.

kardℝ4=ℵ


I'm miſſing Fraktur letters? How ſhould I write vectors or matrices?

well, Neo only has Unicode Characters, ſo no Vectors, and no Matrices. And which Fraktur Letters are you miſſing? You can create Ligatures uſing the Compoſe Key (Mod3[Caps Lock] + Tab). ff, ſt and ſuch.

Additionally I can't hear you over the ſound of how aweſome this layout is! lalalalala

RC-1140 wrote:well, Neo only has Unicode Characters, so no Vectors, and no Matrices. And which Fraktur Letters are you missing? You can create Ligatures using the Compose Key (Mod3[Caps Lock] + Tab). ff, ſt and such.

Additionally I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome this layout is! lalalalala

$\mathfrak{A}\ldots\mathfrak{Z}$ for matrices and $\mathfrak{a}\ldots\mathfrak{z}$ for vectors.

this ain't Unicode chars dude, that's LaTeX. No way of uſing this anywhere elſe, ſo no uſe in a Keymap (except if you create makros for it.) But we're going far OT here, we ſhould continue in the German ſubſection in one of the Neo Threads. Or create a new one.

What kind of thead is this anyway?

So, SP can’t even do ſ? Uhhh. Slackers.

What would a full modifier (mod 3, mod 4) set cost us? 1 R4U125(, 1 R2U150, many ANSIers here ;P) + a capslock?

7bit wrote:

Minskleip wrote:Will the lowquantity fee go away if you order 3 of a kit, or 3 times the number you have already ordered?

order 3x (or more) SPH/POS and there will be no low qty fee for your order.Usually, it will be cheaper to order 3-4 times an item instead of just one plus the low qty fee.

The idea behind this is to encourage people to order more.

Cool, then I'll have to look at the list again

Zehkul wrote:So, SP can’t even do ſ? Uhhh. Slackers.

What would a full modifier (mod 3, mod 4) set cost us? 1 R4U125(, 1 R2U150, many ANSIers here ;P) + a capslock?

need a lit like
R4U125: Mod 1
R4U125: Mod 2
R4U125: Mod 3
...
R3U175: Mod n

There are too many different NEO layout graphics floating around. I think NEO is so confusing that not even NEOists know where to put the labels properly.

Anyone here with a QPAD Keyboard? Can u please check the size of the space key? I was talkin to 7bit about the sizes but i just wanna double check in case i made a misstake. Need the full length of the key (11,3cm ?) the distance between both stabilizers (center to center) (9,8cm ?) and the distance between the 2 key stem holes (2,2cm?) If someone was that kind and could check it again that would be sweet <3

Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 11, 3... check 9, 8... check
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 2 key stem holes?
…
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: ja
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 2,2

Should be OK, then.

7bit wrote: need a lit like
R4U125: Mod 1
R4U125: Mod 2
R4U125: Mod 3
...
R3U175: Mod n

There are too many different NEO layout graphics floating around. I think NEO is so confusing that not even NEOists know where to put the labels properly.

This is my current NEO mock-up with all keys you could ever need.



The third arrow is for ANSIers. Everything else is what you need for the first 3 layers of NEO. I don’t think the compose function on tab justifies another key, though. ^^ M4 would be nice as the standard SP diamond or something like that.

The characters are:
Layer1:
̂ 1234567890- ̀
xvlcwkhgfqß ́
uiaeosnrtdy
üöäpzbm,.j
Layer2:
̌ °§ℓ»«$€„“”— ̧
̃
–•
Layer3:
↻¹²³›‹¢¥‚‘’ ̊
…_[]^!<>=&ſ ̵
\/{}*?()-:@
#$|~`+%"';

Zehkul wrote:Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 11, 3... check 9, 8... check
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 2 key stem holes?
…
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: ja
Friend with Razer BlackWidow: 2,2

Should be OK, then.

^^^
One center mount and two mounts 49mm left and right from the center?

Zehkul wrote:...

The third arrow is for ANSIers. Everything else is what you need for the first 3 layers of NEO. I don’t think the compose function on tab justifies another key, though. ^^ M4 would be nice as the standard SP diamond or something like that.
...

At this low quantity I doubt we can do the arrows. For all kits exists symbol keys which cound be used and would not be so expensive compared to dedicated modifiers.

This forum doesn’t like thẽ kẽỹ dõĩñg thĩs! At least not alone. ̃̃ ̃~ ̃~ ~̃ ̃ ̃ ̃ (See the empty row in my post above)

Symbol keys would be nice, yeah. Doesn’t SP have anything pointing at least a bit to the right? Seems rather standard to me.

7bit wrote:One center mount and two mounts 49mm left and right from the center?

I guess, yeah. The fourth mount on that odd spacebar is not used and there for whatever strange reason I don’t know.

Zehkul wrote:...
Symbol keys would be nice, yeah. Doesn’t SP have anything pointing at least a bit to the right? Seems rather standard to me.

7bit wrote:One center mount and two mounts 49mm left and right from the center?

I guess, yeah. The fourth mount on that odd spacebar is not used and there for whatever strange reason I don’t know.

If I ask for 49mm, it will not be 50 or 48. So mught fit a bit tight if the measure is off too much.

Nevertheless, here is my comment on your layout. The arrows are doable, but they cost extra!

I’ll ask for the most accurate measures he can do.

Is ‚ „ ‘ “ ’ ” ̀ ̧ not enough of a code? You can copy&paste it. I don’t know a thing about LaTex, sorry. ^^

Doesn’t SP have a single thing in their repertoire that points to the bottom right? 20-30$ extra won’t hurt me though, my order is way beyond any reason anyway. e,e

Zehkul wrote:Doesn’t SP have anything pointing at least a bit to the right? Seems rather standard to me.

Maybe the symbol that's gonna be used for delete will fit decently for this role?
Or there's also the thicker arrow outlines in all four major directions..

7b, is that even doable for a better price?
<disclaimer, I don't give a rats a** about 'neo'>

Zehkul wrote:I’ll ask for the most accurate measures he can do.

Is ‚ „ ‘ “ ’ ” ̀ ̧ not enough of a code? You can copy&paste it. I don’t know a thing about LaTex, sorry. ^^

Doesn’t SP have a single thing in their repertoire that points to the bottom right? 20-30$ extra won’t hurt me though, my order is way beyond any reason anyway. e,e

OK, I will do these all with commas, hope you like it.

20-30$? LOL!
The SVG legend fees are not really relevant compared to prices for low quantities of key caps.
NEO will be the only language kit which will have dedicated modifiers!!!

off wrote:

Zehkul wrote:Doesn’t SP have anything pointing at least a bit to the right? Seems rather standard to me.

Maybe the symbol that's gonna be used for delete will fit decently for this role?
Or there's also the thicker arrow outlines in all four major directions..

7b, is that even doable for a better price?
<disclaimer, I don't give a rats a** about 'neo'>

I expect $200-$300 for this ....

Enjoy your NEO guys!

Even if I don't want to buy one of the Neo Sets: Here are the requested specs for the quotation marks.

2nd Layer:
8: "\glqq"
9: "\grqq"
0: "''" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' twice)
3rd Layer:
8: "\glq"
9: "\grq"
0: "'" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' once. But note that these might result in different quotes with \usepackage[ngerman]{babel})

RC-1140 wrote:Even if I don't want to buy one of the Neo Sets: Here are the requested specs for the quotation marks.

2nd Layer:
8: "\glqq"
9: "\grqq"
0: "''" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' twice)
3rd Layer:
8: "\glq"
9: "\grq"
0: "'" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' once. But note that these might result in different quotes with \usepackage[ngerman]{babel})

^^^ ngerman is even worse!

If at alI use german but here I can't, because it would break other things.
Thanks for help, I give it a try.

ps: Do you know the code for the upper part of an integral sign (replacement for the long s)?


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! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> \myfontkey {\glqq
                             }
l.3004 ...49.020000 86.355000) {\myfontkey{\glqq}}


Please order more!!!

7bit wrote:I expect $200-$300 for this ....

ouch...

huh, dunno I would have to google it. And btw. the thingies on 4 and 5 are "\frqq" "\flqq" "\frq" and "\flq"

edit regarding your edit: wut? It's just what is said here: link What does your \myfontkey do?

interesting. the URL tag fails at unescaped umlauts in urls.

Remember, those images were originally intended for dye subs where it doesn’t matter at all what keys you print on.

RC-1140 wrote:0: "''" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' twice)

What? Those are clearly angled, too.

Zehkul wrote:Remember, those images were originally intended for dye subs where it doesn’t matter at all what keys you print on.

RC-1140 wrote:0: "''" (the quotes you get when you place the single quote ' twice)

What? Those are clearly angled, too.

I was talking about LaTeX. If you place two single quotes behind each other, LaTeX will turn them into the english right doublequote.