Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?

THATGUY69 wrote:Oh yeah. The Logitech G900 wireless mouse. I picked it up black friday for $75. I could not be happier with it :D

Same for me. I was skeptical when I first got it (for a similar price to you), but now I'm in love with it. I'm using my G502 and G9x on other machines, both of which were at one point my favorite, and it's so much above them that I'm actually on the lookout so I can get another.
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I waited for a sale and got mine for €27 + shipping; it's normally €40-50 around here. Kova[+] was in the same price range.

More importantly, it makes little sense to seek a >6-year-old product that isn't unique in any positive way.
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davkol wrote:More importantly, it makes little sense to seek a >6-year-old product that isn't unique in any positive way.

I'm not "seeking" it, I'm using it. Unique in any positive way? Sounds like a marketing sentence. You must really hate the 2011 Kova for some reason.

I'll test the 2016 Kova soon I'm really curious to see what it's like.
davkol wrote:I waited for a sale and got mine for €27 + shipping; it's normally €40-50 around here. Kova[+] was in the same price range.

So Roccat must then be selling much better products for the same price...that would be "Unique in a positive way" for sure.
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davkol wrote:More importantly, it makes little sense to seek a >6-year-old product that isn't unique in any positive way.

I'm not "seeking" it, I'm using it.
Unique in any positive way?
Sounds like a marketing sentence. You must really hate the 2011 Kova for some reason.

I'll test the 2016 Kova soon I'm really curious to see what it's like.
davkol wrote:I waited for a sale and got mine for €27 + shipping; it's normally €40-50 around here. Kova[+] was in the same price range.

So Roccat must then be selling much better products for the same price...that would be quite "Unique in a positive way" for sure. Also you will know that they sell these mice for months and years to saying it's 6 years old is relative to it's market introduction.
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I really wanted to use it a few years back, but couldn't. The main reason was the wheel (I click it very often and too stiff wheels on Logitech already caused me RSI), the sensor didn't help (I was actually somewhat unhappy until PWM3310 became a standard and made jitter at 2000 cpi a thing of the past) and I didn't trust it either after getting a faulty Pyra (wireless) and Kone[+], that ultimately weren't even worth fixing (there was a nasty wire salad for backlight and side buttons, among other issues).

Thus, I stuck with right-handed mice (mostly Savu and later KPM) and Lua (at the cost of features).
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davkol wrote:I really wanted to use it a few years back, but couldn't. The main reason was the wheel (I click it very often and too stiff wheels on Logitech already caused me RSI), but the sensor didn't help and I didn't trust it either after getting a faulty Pyra (wireless) and Kone[+], that ultimately weren't even worth fixing (there was a nasty wire salad for backlight and side buttons, among other issues).

Thus, I stuck with right-handed mice (mostly Savu and later KPM) and Lua (at the cost of features).

I understand. The wheel is indeed stiff to click. I wonder how long mine will hold up before breaking...
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davkol wrote:(Kiro is) It's ridiculously heavy for its size. Perhaps the platform for replaceable sides is to blame, I'm not sure. Regardless, the mouse is big enough only for children, Drumpf and some claw-grippers. Lua is fine at 68 g, but Kiro's 103 g is waaay too much.



For me, the worst part is the limited firmware, though..

My point of reference is the craptastic IntelliMouse Optical. That's 145 g, or 0.29 g/cm³ (assuming an spherical cow oblong), and the Kiro is 0.42 g/cm³ (also assuming an oblong). The Kiro seems is denser, while still being a lot lighter than what I'm accustomed to, and it's oddly narrow.

I don't need firmware, and I don't need drivers. I don't need blinkenlights or rubber coating or a gear lever. We're well into the 21st century, and past the end of Doug Engelbart's long lifetime, and we still can't seem to make the basic bits of a wheel mouse work: buttons that click and a wheel that turns and can be clicked. Dell mice for years have been excellent, but it's getting the ambidextrous five buttons that leaves gamer rubbish as the only option. The IMO replacement (MS Comfort Mouse 4500) is dire.
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davkol wrote:(Kiro is) It's ridiculously heavy for its size. Perhaps the platform for replaceable sides is to blame, I'm not sure. Regardless, the mouse is big enough only for children, Drumpf and some claw-grippers. Lua is fine at 68 g, but Kiro's 103 g is waaay too much.

My point of reference is the craptastic IntelliMouse Optical. That's 145 g, or 0.29 g/cm³ (assuming an spherical cow oblong), and the Kiro is 0.42 g/cm³ (also assuming an oblong). The Kiro seems is denser, while still being a lot lighter than what I'm accustomed to, and it's oddly narrow.

The mice are expected to be held differently or in differently sized hands.
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:I don't need firmware, and I don't need drivers.

I thought you wanted an input device, not a paperweight.
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A thing that moves the cursor and sends clicks is quite sufficient. I'd like a 6th button, but Windows only supports five buttons, and I don't care to use third-party drivers to activate an additional button.
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Daniel Beardsmore wrote:A thing that moves the cursor and sends clicks is quite sufficient. I'd like a 6th button, but Windows only supports five buttons, and I don't care to use third-party drivers to activate an additional button.

You have a broad choice then. ;)
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If only.
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Daniel Beardsmore wrote:If only.

Limit your options then:
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:A thing that moves the cursor and sends clicks is quite sufficient.
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Best mouse ever made...The Logitech G9x. I have 10 in my closet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjehusHll1Y
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Currently using CM Storm Recon. It's a little taller than i usually get, but i really like it. Optical, programmable, enough easily reachable buttons.

I Really liked the adjustability & programability of the RAT7 but the laser sensor was garbage.
I heard they were planning on reworking another version of the RAT with an optical sensor but haven't looked into it since i gave up on the RAT 7.
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MrDuul wrote:Best mouse ever made...The Logitech G9x. I have 10 in my closet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjehusHll1Y

But isn't there some $5K version that you don't have?

Spoiler:
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seebart wrote:
MrDuul wrote:Best mouse ever made...The Logitech G9x. I have 10 in my closet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjehusHll1Y

But isn't there some $5K version that you don't have?

Spoiler:
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It gave me a lot of fun to realize that not only I like the controllers from Razer. I use them and as for me they are perfect. I'm happy with absolutely everything, the mouse is felt as an additional part of the body , not a separate element.
Although at first I doubted which controllers to take, I chose for a long time, searched for information on the Internet, wiki. Well, friends advised a good brand)
In principle, for those who have not yet decided which controlers to buy , on the Internet, there are a lot of sites where there are already ready-made compilations for anything, such as a selection of mice https://www.bestadvisers.co.uk/best-gaming-mouse (since this is the topic)


Remember, everyone chooses a mouse and keyboard for themselves, and if I'm comfortable with this, then you might like something completely different. Therefore, we must try and then decide.
Play a lot and have fun!
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I'd love to have an IE3 with the build quality of an MX518, preferably with a PBT shell! That would be super nice, sadly this is never going to happen :(

Meanwhile I am stuck with an old G9 at work and a G402 at home... I don't like any of them but they get the job done so far. I still wan't to try out the MX Master in Stone Gray but haven't bought it yet.
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Decided to give Roccat one more try. I had heard good things about the new Roccat Kone Pure Owl-Eye, so I gave it a test run.

My first impression was, "Wow, this mouse is really small!" Of course, I had read the specs, and I knew that this mouse was below my preferred size range, but I was not prepared for just how far below it was. Definitely not for my favored palm grip.

The Owl-Eye sensor is perhaps the main attraction of this mouse, but I could be satisfied with lesser sensors. The switches were fine. Scroll wheel was above average but not as good as I had expected.

The deal-breakers were the same as before with the Kone XTD: the highly conspicuous asymmetrical logo and the illuminated stripes. These things run counter to my aesthetic preferences. In addition, the plastic used in the stripes has a sticky feel that spoils the feel of the mouse for me.

If Roccat were to come out with a version of the Kone XTD or EMP without a logo on the top or back of the mouse and without the illuminated stipes, I would definitely consider buying it.

For now, the mouse that has stayed on my desk is the Logitech G403.
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