MFRHK (My First Rabbit Hole Kit) - Show & Shine!

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Harshmallow

26 Jan 2017, 05:36

Howdy everyone,

I thought I would start my thread on these boards I received over in the photo/video section instead of the marketplace, as it seemed like a more suitable place. If you mods think it should be moved back within that thread, please let me know!

Thank you again to the generous and creative Wodan for preparing and shipping out a bunch of these rabbit hole kits - He could have sold them at a much higher profit on eBay or elsewhere, but he decided to help out some newbs with these starter boards and I happened to be the lucky first one to receive the first kit!

I'm already typing on one of the three boards to create this post, and am loving it! Since I'm a touch typist, and my computer just applied a standard ANSI layout when I plugged it in, the German layout has not given me any issues whatsoever...except for the small learning curve of getting used to an ISO tall skinny Enter, instead of the usual horizontal one I'm used to!

The first board I decided to clean up, and the one I'm typing on, is a lovely little Cherry G80-3000 LSMDE with MX Blues. I would call them vintage blues because they feel sublime compared to my Corsair board with new ones, but I'm really not sure since the board label indicates it was assembled in 2001. It could be down to the fact that these are just very well worn in, but I don't think that accounts for all of it - the click is softer and less annoying, and the switches just glide so much better while typing. It's got thin, lasered PBT caps and a worryingly thin case, with quite a cost-cutting design overall, but there's just something about this board. I know it's held together by clips, the switches are PCB mounted and the PCB itself it basically sitting on a couple of plastic risers in the case and held down by gravity, but IMO it all seems to compliment these light, clicky switches and come together to form an awesome recipe for a touch typist to achieve top typing speeds and hear a lovely clickety clack while doing so. Yes, it also means that there is more possibility for typos, as you will see in my typing test below, but this board has renewed some of my love for Cherry blues that had been lost after having tried many other vintage boards and switches. This keyboard has quickly worked its way into my rotation and I think it's here to stay for the foreseeable future!

Here are some pics of the original package, the clean-up and the finished result, along with a typing test clip I recorded from my Samsung S6 Edge - just so you know what not to expect going into this. Why did I choose this board to clean-up first, you ask? Great question, person who didn't really ask or care why I chose this board first! I chose it because I'm quite lazy and this looked to be the easiest board to clean with the minimal amount of tools I have at my new place. It also looked like it just had some easy to clean surface dirt on it, but was otherwise in great shape. I will post write-ups and photos/typing tests of the next two boards in the near future!
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All cleaned up and ready for keycaps! When they finally dry, that is.
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Can't forget the cable, now! It got a thorough cleaning as well, and is looking quite IBM SDL-y if I do say so myself.
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Dirty!
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Clean!
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Typing test

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emdude
Model M Apologist

26 Jan 2017, 06:16

Thanks for sharing your write-up, Harshmallow, the board looks quite lovely now. The typing video is a very, very nice touch.

Looking forward to your impressions of your next two boards!

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Wodan
ISO Advocate

26 Jan 2017, 07:05

Damn bro, great pics! It's ultimately more satisfying to see someone appreciate these boards and take good care of them than making a few more bucks trying to sell them at higher profits ;)

So glad you can use the ISO-DE layout, shame I can't find more ANSI boards. Adding some tiny ISO dots to the ANSI map!

Also impressed by the care you're taking for all the components. Stuff like cases just goes for a ride in the dishwasher here...

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kbdfr
The Tiproman

26 Jan 2017, 07:19

Harshmallow wrote: […] but there's just something about this board. I know it's held together by clips, the switches are PCB mounted and the PCB itself it basically sitting on a couple of plastic risers in the case and held down by gravity, but IMO it all seems to compliment these light, clicky switches […]
No plastic rivets doomed to break :mrgreen:

Thanks for sharing - to both Harshmallow and Wodan.

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Harshmallow

26 Jan 2017, 16:21

Thanks guys :) It was a fun experience. And Wodan - I don't have a dishwasher in my new apartment so boo....who am I kidding though, I'm so paranoid about cleaning this stuff I wouldn't use one anyway haha.

I made myself a list of things to buy this weekend so that I can clean and restore more effectively - tweezers, toothpicks (for Alps switches), some brushes and a few other things. I didn't realize how hard it was to clean the plate between all the switches until I got several different types of cloth caught dozens of times on all the little plastic corners and tabs. So yeah, the dirt and caked on dust between the switches is bugging the shit out of me, can you tell? ;)

Does anyone know a good solvent/chemical to use for small surface applications of rust removal? IE - removing rust spots from the mounting plate of my next project - the Dell AT102DW. I suppose I could just scrape it off, but that will toss rail dust everywhere.

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seebart
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26 Jan 2017, 16:24

Ahh very nice. Again great idea Wodan, thanks for posting Harshmallow!

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ideus

26 Jan 2017, 18:17

Wodan is great at packing stuff. He sent me a key cap set well packed in a vacuum and sealed bag. It would easily be the best pack of key caps I have ever received.

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Harshmallow

27 Jan 2017, 01:17

ideus wrote: Wodan is great at packing stuff. He sent me a key cap set well packed in a vacuum and sealed bag. It would easily be the best pack of key caps I have ever received.
Yep - definitely agree with you there. He packs a mean keyboard shipment that Wodan. Here's a teaser of my next challenge!
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kekstee

27 Jan 2017, 02:16

The only way I know is to completely disassemble it and soak the plate in ~8% distilled white vinegar before scrubbing it clean. Might be better to just live with it.

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Harshmallow

30 Jan 2017, 17:49

kekstee wrote: The only way I know is to completely disassemble it and soak the plate in ~8% distilled white vinegar before scrubbing it clean. Might be better to just live with it.
Thanks for the advice. I cleaned up the plate as best as I could and then went with option 2 - live with it. :P I did find a great tool on the weekend though - it's basically a larger form of those spinbrush tooth brushes, and it's meant for cleaning grout and hard to reach corners in bathrooms. Works great at getting between all the switches and scraping out all the dirt from the plate.

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Harshmallow

31 Jan 2017, 04:56

Dell AT102DW - Clean-up and 'Linearising' the Alps Noir

Time for Keyboard 2's 15 minutes of fame!

This one took quite a bit longer to clean than my Cherry LSMDE in the OP, namely because it was so much dirtier, but also because the metal plate had quite a bit of rust and extremely stubborn dirt caked onto it. This one did lead me to try new things and I discovered a great new cleaning tool while shopping over the weekend. It's a powered grout/bathroom brush with various spinning brushes you can pop on. The small one that tapers was the best option for my needs, as it fit perfectly between all the rows of switches and handled the lion's share of the metal plate cleaning on this dirty Dell.

After I got the keyboard cleaned, I immediately started on 'Project L' - Project Lime you say? But you're just stealing Chyros' stuff you lazy bastard! Hold your horses - mine stands for 'Project Linear'! This is also not a Wang, because this channel is supposed to be PG13. Anyhow, I now know just how long it takes to remove 105 switch tops, remove the tactile leaves and blow out the dust/dirt - about 2.5 hours with some 80's goodness in the form of Back to the Future 1 and 2. Though it did take a while, I actually had fun doing it - as crazy as that may seem - and I learned a lot along the way. I found my most effective means of pulling off these Alps switch tops (the toothpick method to hold the tabs open, then a set of pliers to pull the top off, which saved my fingers from going completely numb from already having pinched and pulled off about 40 switch tops. I gained even more appreciation for Alps, because the design and versatility of these switches is just so impressive and user friendly. I mean, you can pop the tops off with a couple of toothpicks for easy cleaning and modding - easy as pie!

I didn't mind the feel of the original switches - though most of them were pretty filthy when I got this keyboard and off centre key presses could bind up very badly - so badly in some cases the key wouldn't press! After cleaning the board up however, this is no longer an issue, and holy crap what a difference these linear Black Alps are! I see what you mean now Chyros...this is likely what Cherry wishes their black switches could be...they're so smooth I've been periodically double pressing keys because as I was typing I actually thought I accidentally skipped a letter by not pressing the key hard enough. As for the board itself - it's a solid hunk of keyboard, with a thick metal plate, solid plastic and very strong clips that hold the keyboard tightly, even after you've removed all 6 screws from the back (almost annoyingly so...I had to push the clips back with a screw driver to back them out of their tabs). The Dell Bigfoot is indeed an apt name for this hefty keyboard of the 90's. This board is like the Nicolas Cage of keyboards - In just about every damn thing, never a show stealer, but a damn reliable, American piece of tech (made in Taiwan/Malaysia). I have quite a few photos this time around, and the typing test is included once again, towards the bottom!
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The former owner really liked their coffee!
The former owner really liked their coffee!
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In fact, they must have realllly appreciated their coffee after their daily joint! I wonder if they took the case apart to scavenge periodically when they ran out of pot and were low on funds...
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Maybe a little water got into the edge of the foil?
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Dirty!
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Time for a bath.
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The miracle cloth - Scotch Brite scouring pad. Just be careful - it is basically like using fine grit sandpaper...so don't use it on painted cases or anything that's not already dull. Works great on these plain beige cases though! I also used it to remove all the shine from the ABS spacebar :)
The miracle cloth - Scotch Brite scouring pad. Just be careful - it is basically like using fine grit sandpaper...so don't use it on painted cases or anything that's not already dull. Works great on these plain beige cases though! I also used it to remove all the shine from the ABS spacebar :)
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Quite a dirty plate.
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Time for the caps to get a wash.
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Nice and spiffy.
Nice and spiffy.
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See the difference cleaning the cord makes? This is another use for that green scouring pad.
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Broke a stabilizer when pulling the keys off. Why the hell would people use Costar stabs on Alps keyboards anway? The keycaps fit tighter than a dolphin's asshole and always have to be ripped off without any finesse. It's a recipe for disaster!
Broke a stabilizer when pulling the keys off. Why the hell would people use Costar stabs on Alps keyboards anway? The keycaps fit tighter than a dolphin's asshole and always have to be ripped off without any finesse. It's a recipe for disaster!
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Here's the spinbrush tool I was talking about. I believe this one is called the Rubbermaid Reveal Power Scrubber.
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Tooff picks!
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Just a few pics I took to compare a Black ALPS switch to one of my OG Pine Whites from my NOS NTC KB-6251EA.
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Puttin' the ol' girl back together again. Tried to make her a Qwerty, but she set me straight again. Can't make her into something she's not, gotta let her be man! Well, apart from the tactile leaves - them's the exception to the rule...
Puttin' the ol' girl back together again. Tried to make her a Qwerty, but she set me straight again. Can't make her into something she's not, gotta let her be man! Well, apart from the tactile leaves - them's the exception to the rule...
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Back together and ready for the big typing test!
Back together and ready for the big typing test!
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Clean from Cable to Qwertz and with a new lease on life!
Clean from Cable to Qwertz and with a new lease on life!
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You know, I'm not gonna pretend that these are awesome photos or anything, and I will start using my DSLR for future shoots once I'm settled into my new place and have a lightbox, but for a phone cam (S6 Edge), the quality really isn't too shabby!

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Wodan
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31 Jan 2017, 07:43

You're really setting the bar here, dude!!!

hansichen

12 Feb 2017, 20:45

Hi guys
I hope it is ok to share my experience and pictures here :oops:
Let's start with the package :D When it should be delivered i wasn't at home so i had to go to the post office the next day. As i don't have a car and the office is quite a long way from the next train station i had quite a good distance to walk with a big heavy package :lol:
After opening the package and inspecting all the boards my first stepp was washing all the caps. The boards were in quite a good condition, only the g80 had some more dirt on it. As already mentioned by mentioned by Harshmallow I had the same problems with the alps board and the stabs. I was lucky and only one broke while putting the keycaps off the board.
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Cleaning all caps in soapwater
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After cleaning the boards my first look was at the alps board. The g80 came with din cable, the ibm without cable and the dell with ps2, so it's the easiest one to test ;) I like tactile switches but somehow the alps blacks were nothing for me, way to heavy when i tried them. After reading this thread i decided to do the linear mod by myself. At this point i started to love alps. Putting off keycaps may be much harder than with cherry buy opening switches is so much easier. I needed 2-3 hours for linearizing all the switches but with some music it is quite a nice work to calm down after a long day. My first impression of the linear alps is very good but i will have to type a bit more on them :D
And now some pics, sadly the board is quite yellowed but the internels are in good condition, no sing of rust or something like that.
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Let's talk about the g80. When inspecting the boards after they arrived i already noticed one enter stab being faulty. After putting all the keycaps off the board i saw that the stab was out of the pcb, some more clipped out of it during this process. As this is a g80-1000 it should have screw stabs according to the wiki, i have to fix the wiki when i have some time. Sadly the pcb got damaged due to one stab and 15 lines were broken and only ~30 keys were working after installing a usb mod. So i took some wire and solder iron and rewired all the cut pieces. Shitty work to do but now everything is working :D The blue switches feel really nice and i enjoy writing with this keyboard.
And some pics of it:
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G80-1000 close up
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G80-1000 details
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Lastly the ibm: i have already cleaned most of it but to open the case i need to buy the ibm screwdriver first. Pictures and opinion will follow as soon as i have cleaned and converted it.
If you want to have some more pictures (eg my wiring :D ) feel free to ask and i will take them for you ;)

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Wodan
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12 Feb 2017, 21:47

Oh wow I am seriously impressed :)

Thanks for taking the pictures and sharing with us :)

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scottc

12 Feb 2017, 21:49

Wow, nice work! I'm definitely interested in seeing your wiring job on the G80-1000, for curiosity if nothing else!

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Harshmallow

13 Feb 2017, 06:04

Thanks for sharing, and those are some wonderful photos! I kinda got carried away with my IBM day thread and forgot to post my last board on here. I need to go to bed but will try to get that done tomorrow. And yes - show us some photos of the wiring :)

hansichen

13 Feb 2017, 11:51

Here you go. Tracking all the lanes is quite a awfull work to do on such a messy pcb but i am happy i did it :D
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alh84001
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13 Feb 2017, 14:44

Wow. Seeing all these boards getting restored gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Keep it up guys.

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kekstee

13 Feb 2017, 17:15

hansichen wrote: i need to buy the ibm screwdriver first.
5.5mm nut driver, and make sure it's slim enough to fit down those holes.
Cheapest solution for me was a China collection of interchangeable tools.

Nice job saving that pcb :D Don't know if I would have had the patience to save a G80.

hansichen

13 Feb 2017, 17:55

Do you have a link which one you bought? This one should work, shouldnt it?
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It's probably not worth saving the g80 but i wanted to try the blue switches and this was easier than building a custom board and maybe than seeing that i dont like them. And i wouldnt have a usage for the caps which would be a shame. So in the end it was worth saving it. When using the board you cant feel the difference and i really enjoy typing on it at the moment :D

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Harshmallow

13 Feb 2017, 22:11

hansichen wrote: Do you have a link which one you bought? This one should work, shouldnt it?
https://aliexpress.com/item/1PC-5-5-mm- ... afde11c4bf

It's probably not worth saving the g80 but i wanted to try the blue switches and this was easier than building a custom board and maybe than seeing that i dont like them. And i wouldnt have a usage for the caps which would be a shame. So in the end it was worth saving it. When using the board you cant feel the difference and i really enjoy typing on it at the moment :D
Even the little made-in-China tool sets you often find at computer stores work with the M. The ones at my local chain (Canada Computers) are made by a company called 'Best' lol. It was $15 Canadian for a 48 piece set - the 5.5mm socket was included as one of the bits and it worked just fine. You can also find the socket you need at hardware stores in many forms. You can get a one piece driver like the one you found, a ratcheting wrench with various socket sizes and more. I've found that most of the 5.5mm or 7/32 ones are already small enough that they do the job and they don't seem to be a 'specialty tool' at all based on how commonly available they are here.

Oh and I really like my G80 too! It's definitely seen heavy use as some of the switches don't click as much as others, but over-all they just have a softer click and much smoother feel than modern Cherry Blues. I suppose that could also be due to the break-in period as well.

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Harshmallow

22 Feb 2017, 05:12

Time for me to finally post the photos I took of my third board - a lovely, if slightly incomplete 93 Greenock-made Model M! Sorry for the delay, I just got caught up with other projects, other boards coming in, work, life etc.

I didn't record a typing test of this one because I'm sure you've all heard the lovely sound of the M by now. I did floss-mod this one, but I'm not even sure it would come through in a video recorded with my cell phone, because it's hard to even pick up the ping from these switches in the first place.

What more could I say about the one keyboard to rule them all? To most of us in this club, who have now tried several different keyboards and switch types, this may no longer be our reigning champion and first pick, but none can deny that this keyboard still holds the title of the most influential and 'game-changing' keyboard in keyboard history. This one keyboard defined the standard keyboard layout, used by billions of people, for generations to come. Had IBM said fuck it and decided to eliminate the antiquated (even then) type-writer format and given it a Dvorak, Colemak or other layout, I believe we'd all be laughing at those few suckers trying to force themselves to learn Qwerty layouts in order to be different!

The IBM Model M - The world's keyboard.
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Quite a dirty specimen!
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Time for the super glue! This one was tough, because those stems with circular cut-outs actually need to have some flex, as they have two different positions when the foot is in the 'up' or 'down' position. It's not perfect, but I got it back together - one must be delicate when operating the foot though!
Time for the super glue! This one was tough, because those stems with circular cut-outs actually need to have some flex, as they have two different positions when the foot is in the 'up' or 'down' position. It's not perfect, but I got it back together - one must be delicate when operating the foot though!
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Floss modded! Quite an elegantly simple mod. It make a distinct difference and virtually eliminates the ping. If you put in the wrong amount, it can actually remove the click all-together and prevent switch proper switch actuation.
Floss modded! Quite an elegantly simple mod. It make a distinct difference and virtually eliminates the ping. If you put in the wrong amount, it can actually remove the click all-together and prevent switch proper switch actuation.
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All back together and spiffy! I left the stickers on to show the scars of its past as a regularly manhandled public university keyboard. It's also missing a few key caps, but MEH
All back together and spiffy! I left the stickers on to show the scars of its past as a regularly manhandled public university keyboard. It's also missing a few key caps, but MEH
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This shit is magical! Just be careful with colored/darker surfaces, as well as glossy/matte surfaces as it may affect the surface appearance. But for basic case cleaning and for cleaning off scuff, pen, marker and general marks, this really is one of the few products that is aptly named. MAGIC!
This shit is magical! Just be careful with colored/darker surfaces, as well as glossy/matte surfaces as it may affect the surface appearance. But for basic case cleaning and for cleaning off scuff, pen, marker and general marks, this really is one of the few products that is aptly named. MAGIC!
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A project isn't complete without a clean cable to go along with the keyboard!
A project isn't complete without a clean cable to go along with the keyboard!
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*Edit - Ohh shiiettt, my post count now matches my member number!

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