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by NeK
08 Nov 2022, 12:10
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: A lighter Model M
Replies: 30
Views: 18769

Re: A lighter Model M

A (much) simpler way to measure the force of the key presses, is to put they keyboard *on* a good kitchen scale and measure the weight difference when you press the key. IMHO I think it is pretty accurate method.
by NeK
19 May 2022, 05:19
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

I've had success using a tealight candle I found in the misc trash/debris on the side of the street in philly if that's any sort of endorsement. unless you get the amount of wax perfect though it does require break in for the extra wax to be rubbed off before it gets really good though. I suspect a...
by NeK
19 May 2022, 05:04
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Been out for a while, is the wax mod still the current "works fine" solution, or any new method with repeated good results? boilwax has always been and will continue to be the best way to restore alps to nos condition. nek continues to wish for something else presumably cause he can't easily sell c...
by NeK
26 Mar 2022, 02:10
Forum: Other external
Topic: Great/Interesting Finds
Replies: 26260
Views: 5946986

Re: Great/Interesting Finds

I was watching this auction and was surprised to see the selling price. I know it’s a great blue alps board but I didn’t think it commands such a high price. Is there something I’m missing here? https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-ACER-BLUE-ALPS-CLICKY-KEYBOARD-GREAT-SHAPE-KB-101A-/203795488681 c...
by NeK
17 Mar 2022, 10:44
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

The 774 series are all the same except of their viscosity. I tried 774H (Heavy) and 774 (normal) and they don't work. 774VL (Very Light) is even less viscous, therefore it will certainly be even worse.
by NeK
28 Feb 2022, 09:46
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

You are right, not very useful. Doesn't even say what type of thickener it uses, is it lithium? Is it Silica? We can only guess. On another note, I checked out the TDS of NyoGel 767A and it turns out is NLGI 2 and not 3 as I thought and also N. 774H which is viscous but not as much as the 767A, it i...
by NeK
28 Feb 2022, 06:02
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

I've had good results using simple dielectric bulb grease. The specific brand I use is Permatex #85184 but I am sure a similar product from another source would work as well. I got a small tube forever ago for stabilizer rattle reduction but have recently been restoring some pretty bad switches whe...
by NeK
27 Feb 2022, 23:58
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Thanks to Lalaland124, I received the Dr. Tillwich lube! dr-tillwich.jpg (no idea what it says, I don't speak German) :oops: And here are my results: ETpfE15iors Ouch... That didn't go well, at all. :| I am starting to think that the consistency of the lube may be the detrimental factor and not the ...
by NeK
03 Feb 2022, 10:11
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

A different company responded an advised me to use the so called ,,Präzisionsschmierfett B52 TF11410''. It's a precision grease used for mechanical parts and the specs are as followed: Precision grease -> TF1410, grade B-52 Content -> 7 g Appearance / Color -> yellowish / ASTM 1 Consistency -> very...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 23:38
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

She sent me this in her original mail. I don't know why but somehow I didn't see it until now: ,,Es ist auf Basis von Mineralöl und Lithiumseife aufgebaut und wird auf eine Zielviskosität 660 mPa.s bei Scherrate 1000/s und 25°C Prüftemperatur eingestellt.'' So it's based on lithium soap and mineral...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 15:51
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Sounds like the dynamic shear viscosity! (It's mPa*s btw :-) ) Thanks for correcting me. :oops: That means that if "dynamic shear viscosity" is comparable to the plain "dynamic viscosity" of the OG specs, then... it comes pretty close! However I don't trust the other generic things they mention lik...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 15:46
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Yeah, agreed, super vague. Shear stress basically refers to forces due to sliding motion, so it should be the kind of (dynamic) viscosity we're looking for :-) What confuses me is that there is a Viscosity for Base Oil, and there is a Viscosity for the whole lube? Am I reading this correctly? If th...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 15:19
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Sounds like the dynamic shear viscosity! (It's mPa*s btw :-) ) Thanks for correcting me. :oops: That means that if "dynamic shear viscosity" is comparable to the plain "dynamic viscosity" of the OG specs, then... it comes pretty close! However I don't trust the other generic things they mention lik...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 15:01
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Wait a minute. It has this table on the top left with the title "scherviskositat" that it is 590-730 mPa/s at 25C. can you please translate what that means? It seems interesting.
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 14:50
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

thanks! Looking at the specs, I found what the important bit: viscosity basisol, which I guess means (absolute) Viscosity of Base Oil. At 20C is 210mm2/s. OG specs are 800mm2/s at 25C, which is 5 times more viscous at 5C more. Which at 20C mudt be even more viscous (more than 800mm2/s). So, it's way...
by NeK
23 Jan 2022, 14:12
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Great.

however I can't seem to download the pdf from my mobile. And those specs they gave are not helpful. I'll try later with my pc.
by NeK
22 Jan 2022, 15:33
Forum: Other external
Topic: Great/Interesting Finds
Replies: 26260
Views: 5946986

Re: Great/Interesting Finds

It's simple, if you push that "seller" too much he may actually give it you at the price you bought it. However, 9 out of 10, the seller probably finds someone gullible enough to believe this and pay more. So the seller gets positive feedback always.
by NeK
22 Jan 2022, 15:30
Forum: Deskthority talk
Topic: Future of DT
Replies: 440
Views: 6984999

Re: Future of DT

Yeah lets find someone. I know he is somewhere that someone.
by NeK
20 Jan 2022, 08:00
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

I agree. Most of us will want OG lube or similar to restore switches with binding or scratchiness issues, but the surfaces must also be in good condition. While I was writing my first post I was thinking…. the only way to properly compare lube performance would be to take a perfectly good condition...
by NeK
19 Jan 2022, 20:53
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

I wonder if the original lubricant would help a switch that is binding and scratchy. My thinking is the factory lubricant is dependent upon a clean and smooth slider and associated parts to protect them and ensure a long lifetime of operation if kept in normal conditions. I was also curious if a ma...
by NeK
19 Jan 2022, 09:17
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

I've done my first testing of the greases and here are my results: NOTE: I removed the click leafs, in order to focus only on the sliding smoothness, stick-slip and binding K25ANuainsc 1. Rheolube 368AXF TDS_SHORT_English_RHEOLUBE+368AXF.png 2. Fluorocarbon 868 TDS_Fluorocarbon_Gel_868.pdf 3. NyoGel...
by NeK
18 Jan 2022, 16:08
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

(I'm at work and on my phone so i cant write fluently. ) Nice nice. The part about the solvent and how it evaporates is great info! But OKS 402 is way to thin in viscosity. The OG lube is 800mm2/s at 25C (japan measurements) not 660. How did 660 came up? Also the Rheolube 368 that I tried is more v...
by NeK
18 Jan 2022, 15:59
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

We already know what the original lube was. Alps themselves told us. Confused if Nek is trying to find a modern analogue (in which case, I have no idea why he dismissed wax boiling) or trying to find the original lube (which again, we already have.) I haven't been keeping track of this thread for a...
by NeK
15 Jan 2022, 02:54
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Yeah I've seen that post now too. Are we still looking for a more detailed description of the og lube or do we have all characteristics we need? But 600 is not 800 as the OG specs state. What am I missing? Also, no that is enough specs. I mean, we know the viscosity, the thickener that it had petro...
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 17:31
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Lalaland124 wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 13:55
Also found an old Reddit Post talking about ThreeBond where they list the old patent as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyb ... e_mystery/
Just to save you wasting time on thus, we have been through that (in this thread way back). The patent isn't relevant.
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 17:26
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

(I'm at work and on my phone so i cant write fluently. ) Nice nice. The part about the solvent and how it evaporates is great info! But OKS 402 is way to thin in viscosity. The OG lube is 800mm2/s at 25C (japan measurements) not 660. How did 660 came up? Also the Rheolube 368 that I tried is more vi...
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 13:31
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Quick update: I found some time and tried one of the lubes the Rheolube 368 which I had the most hopes for and it was a failure. :( Here's a quck video and info: jj7AkZieX9k F8 is OG lube, F6 is Rheolube 368 TDS: Rheolube-368.png It didn't eliminate the stick-slip (very light binding) when pressing ...
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 13:15
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

inozenz wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 06:34
I could email them. Looks like a local brand.
that's great :)
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 08:12
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Alps Lubricant FOUND!
Replies: 693
Views: 272659

Re: Alps Lubricant FOUND!

Now that's what I like! People engaging and helping. That's the spirit. Let's crack this baby!
by NeK
14 Jan 2022, 08:03
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: A lighter Model M
Replies: 30
Views: 18769

Re: A lighter Model M

I don't know any, but that is more of a procedure issue. If we find one, we can just send them a spring and tell them "I want an exact copy of that, ok thanks bye" :D

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