[Vendor] Plum mini 84 electrastatic capacitive 35g keyboard PBT keycap

Scarpia wrote:Hmm... What does it say about me that my new caps cost more than my whole keyboard? Am I officially part of the cult? Is this the entrance to the rabbit hole? IS THIS REAL LIFE?

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Scarpia wrote:Looks like there's a 45g 87 key TKL version now. It's only available in black ABS with gamerfont, but if the TKL layout is standard it should be trivial to get replacement keycaps.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Noppoo-new-108-electrostic-capacitive-pro-mechanical-keyboard-topre-clone-switches-gaming-keyboard-PBT-keycap-detachable/2039433313.html

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It is standard TKL layout, so other cherry mx OEM height keycaps are compatible...
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Mine arrived today. Product as described and relatively fast shipping from China. Thanks!
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Regarding some of the earlier comments, the keycaps are decently thick PBT, but not dyesub. Must be lasered. Key feel is very light, easily the lightest switch I have tried and maintains some tactility. The keys do feel consistently weighted and my rough coin test shows they actuate in a range from 35g to 30g, varying slightly depending on the row and size of the keycap. I don't really know how it compares to Topre or Topre clones, I don't own any of those keyboards.

The description says it is Programmable, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Most of the description on aliexpress is in Mandarin and the keyboard did not come with a manual.

I might post a detailed review, if I have time.
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vivalarevolución wrote:Regarding some of the earlier comments, the keycaps are decently thick PBT, but not dyesub. Must be lasered. Key feel is very light, easily the lightest switch I have tried and maintains some tactility. The keys do feel consistently weighted and my rough coin test shows they actuate in a range from 35g to 30g, varying slightly depending on the row and size of the keycap. I don't really know how it compares to Topre or Topre clones, I don't own any of those keyboards.

The description says it is Programmable, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Most of the description on aliexpress is in Mandarin and the keyboard did not come with a manual.

I might post a detailed review, if I have time.

Hi. I think I got lost through the posts ;) Which one you got in the end? The plum84? Will be very interested in the review!
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Excellent! My Royal Kludge RC930 TKL with 55g switches is on the way as we speak. I wanted a bit more tactility so I had to choose the RK rather than the Plum, but I expect it'll have a similar build quality.

.....and I have the MrInterface Try Bag coming as well, so I will have a plate mounted original Topre 55g to make a side by side comparison.
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Yea, the Plum84 with 35g weighting, non RGB.
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I love Cherry's red switches even for typing (with a good Leopold keycap set).
Do you think the 35g will be too light for me?

I was trying to get the 45g RK RC-930 87 but I really like the looks of the white Plum 35g.
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Quick update: I got my 55g RC930-87 yesterday as well as a DSA Dolch set from Signature Plastics. Swapped out the keycaps and it's a thing of beauty. From the pictures I've seen I was a bit concerned about the look of the plastic on the case, but in reality the case looks great, it feels solid and I was even surprised at how nice the stock keycaps looked (I still hate the font, the winkey and the front print so they had to come off, but the profiles and the plastic looked a lot nicer than the product pictures suggested).

As for the key feel, I am thrilled! Comparing the RC930 to a Topre 55g keychain, the clone is definitely softer, and it feels more linear, without the initial tactility of the Topre original; it feels like a Topre which has been pre-depressed a third of the way, or more accurately, a Topre with 30% less snappy-bouncy-happy-hacker-bunny.

The sound: my comparison isn't fair, but it seens to be quieter than the Topre, and not exactly the same. Personally I think I like the Topre sound better, but not by much, and I can understand why some people could even prefer the sound of the clone to the original. It is really nice. The shift keys do seem to have a faint rattling sound when abused, but that could be because I just popped new caps on with zero lube or knowhow.

So, the verdict after one day: is it as good as the Topre? Not quite, no. Is it similar? Yes. Is it worth the price tag? Absolutely!
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Will there be an ISO variant?
If so I would get one..
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You will probably find that the Topre Realforce 55g switch if you to a nickle test will be above the actual advertised weighting. The RC930 55g probably is more accurate representation of 55g. Though the current Plum's 45g 87 keyboards on aliexpress seem to be heavier than the RC930 45g when doing a nickle test. Comparing the Topre Clones to the Realforce keyboards is a major pain in the ass considering the Realforce keyboards have a -15 to +15g tollerance. It's getting to a point right now, it's hard to find a level grounding when discussing electrostatic capacitive switches.

Nickle test is just loading coins on the key until it actuates.
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I just got my 35g white Plum TKL. The seller says that it's fully programmable but I can't find how to do that. Any clue anyone?
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SoleSoul wrote:I just got my 35g white Plum TKL. The seller says that it's fully programmable but I can't find how to do that. Any clue anyone?

There is a software application for Windows. The info is buried on a Geekhack thread somewhere for the Noppoo 108 EC keyboard. Ah here it is in a Geekhack thread that references a Massdrop discussion: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68560.50
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vivalarevolución wrote:
SoleSoul wrote:I just got my 35g white Plum TKL. The seller says that it's fully programmable but I can't find how to do that. Any clue anyone?

There is a software application for Windows. The info is buried on a Geekhack thread somewhere for the Noppoo 108 EC keyboard. Ah here it is in a Geekhack thread that references a Massdrop discussion: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68560.50

First, thanks a lot. I've been trying for hours to use OCR, Google translate and Mandarin IRC channels to figure this out but failed.

Now I know that I need an application to program this. The application you linked says that the keyboard is not connected. I guess it looks for a Noppoo keyboard, right? It means that this Plum keyboard needs to have its own SW somewhere. I'll try to get it from the Aliexpress seller.

By the way, these 35g switches are awesome! The build quality doesn't seem that great but I'm enjoying every moment of typing on it. (I like light switches like reds)
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Tried also the Royal Kludge software. Same. "Keyboard not connected".
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Gah. That's too bad. I know that Noppoo, Plum, and Royal Kludge all have the same OEM, so I thought the software would work.
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I got it :)

Seems like the Chinese seller has some contacts and he found someone who has it. He doesn't have a download link to share though.

Since this type of software is hard to get right now I'm putting it online here if you need. As a bonus the package also includes an English user manual!

(direct link)
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SoleSoul wrote:I got it :)

Seems like the Chinese seller has some contacts and he found someone who has it. He doesn't have a download link to share though.

Since this type of software is hard to get right now I'm putting it online here if you need. As a bonus the package also includes an English user manual!

(direct link)

Wow, great find. It seems that this only works on Windows. Any knowledge if it will work on the other Plum keyboards (the 84 and 108 keys)?
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No idea.

I hope others will share their knowledge and findings.
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SoleSoul wrote:No idea.

I hope others will share their knowledge and findings.

I'll give it a stab once I get a copy of Windows. I figure it would be a good idea to have one of those laying around for whatever.
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vivalarevolución wrote:
SoleSoul wrote:No idea.

I hope others will share their knowledge and findings.

I'll give it a stab once I get a copy of Windows. I figure it would be a good idea to have one of those laying around for whatever.

Hi....
Just tried it on my Plum 84 using windows 10 and "Keyboard is not connected!" pops up.
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SoleSoul wrote:No idea.

I hope others will share their knowledge and findings.

I'll give it a stab once I get a copy of Windows. I figure it would be a good idea to have one of those laying around for whatever.

Hi....
Just tried it on my Plum 84 using windows 10 and "Keyboard is not connected!" pops up.

Sadly I was expecting that because the program has '87' in its name. Someone will get the correct variant eventually. Try messaging more Chinese sellers :)
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Hi everyone.

Does anyone know if this keyboard is mac compatible?
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I wan't the sliders, the other parts can go straight in the trash :D
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punished_venom wrote:Hi everyone.

Does anyone know if this keyboard is mac compatible?

Yes, it can be used on mac system.
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XMIT wrote:If a 45g or 55g variant is offered, I'll gladly try it.


Plum has 45g for tkl and full size keyboard. But now they offer springs of 20g,30g to add on keyboard. For 10g spring,, i need to check again.
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Dafuq? Springs under the domes *to increase the actuation force? That's very different to how Topre works, isn't it?

*corrected for clarification
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Nope, that's exactly how Topre works.
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No, I understand that there are springs under the domes... Please roll your eyes only after you understood what I meant.

Of course there is always a spring under the dome, and I understand that that is how Topre works (PCB measures electrical capacitance under the dome, which increases when the spring is compressed, etc...).

But following what mech greenhand has said, the manufacturer offers "add-on" springs to add 20, or 30g of resistance. XMIT asked for 55g specifically and greenhand said he would look into finding a "10g spring".

Now here comes the part where it seems to differ from real Topre.

Topre users swap out the domes from heavier keyboards, in order to get 55g of resistance on their 45g keyboard.
They leave the springs as those are always the same (5cN).
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure 55g Topre isn't realized by using a 45g dome and a 10g spring...
Else, continue your eye-rolling....
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