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DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 02 Sep 2019, 08:50
by matt3o
If we want DTA2019 we need to start working on it now.

First of all we need to find a better way of handling the whole process. The way it has been done in the years it's incredibly time consuming. If we had a better slimlined system I bet there would be no issues each year running the awards without the drama.

So either we find a way to make it work on the forum or we develop a parallel software (or use something already available) to handle the whole charade.

If you have any idea, please let me know.

Also, this is the third time this year we try to talk about DTA and the discussion always dropped at some point. I'm asking this one more time, If any of you is available at helping with this year's DTA please let me know. Think about it seriously, don't impulse-reply just to withdraw after a few days. If you are in, send me a PM and let me know what you'd be available to do.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 02 Sep 2019, 20:37
by Redmaus
If I want to help, what would that entail?

I definitely want a DTA 2019 :D

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 02 Sep 2019, 20:55
by Muirium
matt3o wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 08:50
If you are in, send me a PM and let me know what you'd be available to do.
I can idly speculate, if that’s helpful!

What you want is suggestions on a new system, right? But for what: moderating and posting the contest threads? Is that where the effort sink lies?

I’d compress the contest like this:

1. Combine the entrant gathering and first rounds of voting into one. So I’d have people nominate entries on a thread per award category, and ask for forum members to simply “second” the entries (post a quote with +1) they agree are worth going forward. That combines a poll with a rolling restart as new entrants emerge before deadline. Then we could count the “votes” for each, and choose an informed number of entrants to go to the final. Flexibility is good here.

2. The final round would then work like before, with the potential to act as the sponsorship prize raffle it has done for many years.

Come to think, stage 1 could also serve as the “okay everyone, which awards are we doing this year?” preparation stage. Consider the categories in a live contest between each other, so those with the most interest are better placed to run to the final. That means we could match the sponsors and wingnuts available, with the most lively categories.

I think this setup could even handle the creative chaos of the photography award, a troublesome fan favourite if there ever was one.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 12:31
by matt3o
Muirium wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 20:55
1. Combine the entrant gathering and first rounds of voting into one. So I’d have people nominate entries on a thread per award category, and ask for forum members to simply “second” the entries (post a quote with +1) they agree are worth going forward. That combines a poll with a rolling restart as new entrants emerge before deadline. Then we could count the “votes” for each, and choose an informed number of entrants to go to the final. Flexibility is good here.
so, as soon as someone/something is nominated you add it to the poll with 1 vote and people either vote for it or post new nomination. Is that what you mean? I kinda like it.

we could even don't have categories in that round, and form the categories later based on what we have.
Muirium wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 20:55
Come to think, stage 1 could also serve as the “okay everyone, which awards are we doing this year?” preparation stage.
and maybe that was your idea as well.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 15:21
by Muirium
Exactly!

I think we could do it all right here on DT without any formal infrastructure changes. Simply use straightforward regular threads in the initial round, and we count people’s votes based on them saying +1 in their posts. The only true poll needed is the final round for each award.

Why I like informal “post polls” is because they can keep running while people add new entries. Our own forum voting system resets every time anything is added. Let’s just work around it.

Besides, you see how many more people contribute (nominations and opinions) when the awards are already running. Going less formal / more flexible will better suit our actual users. The way to gauge interest is to run the awards!

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 16:36
by matt3o
I like it informal, I don't like the "+1" thing much because it means someone has to keep track manually.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 18:45
by Muirium
True. But the action on thread should be low enough to tally fairly easily. We don’t need scientific rigour or even a live count. Just a deadline, really. People will get a feel for it by taking part.

If there is a better way to run polls, perhaps we could and should take that. But with the static “all contestants form a line at the start” style we’ve always used, the downsides are obvious. Instead of a manual count, we wind up with a protracted and unsatisfying organising pre-stage. That’s why the awards have become a drag, right?

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 08:19
by matt3o
I think handling the qualification like Muirium suggests is the best compromise we can have right now.

Apart from that we need to contact the sponsors and write some copy for each category and each nominee. @Redmaus look at previous DTA to get a glimpse of what that means.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 08:21
by kbdfr
I would suggest simply forbidding off-topic posts in such a polling thread.
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Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 08:27
by matt3o
yep, that's what I meant

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 08:52
by CountNoctua
I haven't been here long enough to even to know what DTA is (until reading the thread, that is) but I think having some external component - as simple as using youtube and imgur for publically shared entry uploads, cross promotion on Reddit and GH (if allowed/possible to work something out) - would be a good way to draw in new members.

Now would be a good time especially as interest in keyboards is starting to go semi-mainstream, at least within the gaming/computer enthusiast community.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 09:11
by matt3o
I find it a great idea @CountNoctua, anyone willing to take care of that?

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 07 Sep 2019, 17:49
by matt3o
is there really nobody willing to help? it would be terribly sad if this year ends up without DTA.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 07 Sep 2019, 18:19
by elecplus
I would be willing to donate a keyboard to a winner. Unfortunately, too much personal stuff going on right now to manage the project.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 07 Sep 2019, 19:53
by ZedTheMan
I'd also be willing to donate a board to a winner.

I'm also willing to help promote to outside communities, like CountNoctua suggested, but I am not certain how to gather them all or how we want to present it. Perhaps I could make a submission thread and compile them all on the top post?

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 07 Sep 2019, 20:04
by Redmaus
ZedTheMan wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:53
I'd also be willing to donate a board to a winner.

I'm also willing to help promote to outside communities, like CountNoctua suggested, but I am not certain how to gather them all or how we want to present it. Perhaps I could make a submission thread and compile them all on the top post?

Count me three, I have plenty of donation boards :mrgreen:

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 08 Sep 2019, 04:07
by XMIT
elecplus pinged me. I may have some spare cycles here to help. Watching this thread if nothing else.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 09 Sep 2019, 01:57
by CountNoctua
I can do graphics for the categories if needed. Not a pro or anything, but I can probably put some serviceable ones together.

Also willing to help out with other stuff. Maybe make some new Deskthority merch designs and products and add to prize pool, if Deskthority staff/admin are okay with that (would ask for approval before finalizing, not going to just start selling t-shirts in Times Square :P... but if you see an unlicensed sesame street character hawking DT shirts, stop by and say hi :lol: ). Would love to get ideas for this, and been meaning to do a custom deskpad, anyway.

When is this scheduled for? I might also have a board, keycaps, and/or other items to possibly add to prize pool at that point.

Re: DTA 2019 preparation

Posted: 09 Sep 2019, 08:24
by matt3o
if you want to add graphics for the merch, please do!

regarding the categories we need to find a theme for this year's awards and create some poster images. There is no firm date yet, but "soon" :)