Recreating the Lisp keyboard (10 years later)

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lispnick

10 Aug 2021, 08:33

raoulduke-esq wrote:
09 Aug 2021, 14:07
A complicated Alps clone? That would be a dream come true.
I am a bit afraid of the complexity of the contact plate. I am not sure if it can be reproduced on a semi-industrial scale. On the other hand, it would probably be easy to reproduce the skcm top/bottom housings and the slider. Maybe it is worth to start there and see how far we can get.

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andreas

10 Aug 2021, 10:29

lispnick wrote:
09 Aug 2021, 13:41
3) do not waste energy on MX and focus on introducing my own Alps clone. 8-) :lol: :lol:
This sounds true to yourself and the Keymacs. I'm confident you can make it work.

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Mandarbmax

16 Aug 2021, 04:48

I wish to chime in in support of Inozenz and say that I would also love to see you make you own Alps clone switch. Maybe you could even reuse Matias parts for most of it and just replace the switchplate and perhaps the click leaf too? I bet there would be a market for after market click leaves and switchplates in the same way that there is a market for SPRiT spring! Either way lispnick, you are an inspiration to us all.

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depletedvespene

26 Aug 2021, 20:49

lispnick wrote:
11 Jun 2021, 00:25
Finally, I got the time to make video on making a keycap! I have been asked to make a custom ESC key based on an SVG graphics. I took this as an opportunity to make video of the whole process. Here it is:
Jaw, meet flooor. Impressive, impressive, IMPRESSIVE.

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depletedvespene

26 Aug 2021, 20:52

Go-Kart wrote:
11 Jun 2021, 13:23
God damn dude. What you're doing is so damn cool.
Just out of sheer lack of shame, I'll say "lispnick, I hope you brought enough for everybody!" :mrgreen:

Also, might keycaps for SKCC switches be beyond the factibility of your process? Asking for a... uhhhh... friend? :lol:

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lispnick

28 Aug 2021, 20:14

depletedvespene wrote:
26 Aug 2021, 20:52
Go-Kart wrote:
11 Jun 2021, 13:23
God damn dude. What you're doing is so damn cool.
Just out of sheer lack of shame, I'll say "lispnick, I hope you brought enough for everybody!" :mrgreen:

Also, might keycaps for SKCC switches be beyond the factibility of your process? Asking for a... uhhhh... friend? :lol:
With the present technology, it means reworking at least half of all the moulds, … so it depends on the depth of your pocket. :lol: Also, I do not have any SKCC switches to test it. But the good news is that I consider support of various keycap mounts in the future.

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daedalus
Buckler Of Springs

29 Aug 2021, 01:42

Awesome project. Any plans to do non blank modifier keys with the same legends as the Symbolics keycaps?

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lispnick

29 Aug 2021, 10:43

daedalus wrote:
29 Aug 2021, 01:42
Awesome project. Any plans to do non blank modifier keys with the same legends as the Symbolics keycaps?
Yes, I am working on it. I hope to do more than that but I would like to use a slightly different process. Takes more tests to be sure it can be done. Anyway, for those who have my blank modifiers, I will offer a reasonably priced upgrade to keys with legends.

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Mandarbmax

16 Sep 2021, 01:31

lispnick wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 20:14
depletedvespene wrote:
26 Aug 2021, 20:52
Go-Kart wrote:
11 Jun 2021, 13:23
God damn dude. What you're doing is so damn cool.
Just out of sheer lack of shame, I'll say "lispnick, I hope you brought enough for everybody!" :mrgreen:

Also, might keycaps for SKCC switches be beyond the factibility of your process? Asking for a... uhhhh... friend? :lol:
With the present technology, it means reworking at least half of all the moulds, … so it depends on the depth of your pocket. :lol: Also, I do not have any SKCC switches to test it. But the good news is that I consider support of various keycap mounts in the future.
I bet you that there would be good money in an MX mount set; goodness knows that I'd pay through the nose for a matching set with a big ass enter which would fit on my K151L!

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lispnick

19 Sep 2021, 16:18

Mandarbmax wrote:
16 Sep 2021, 01:31
lispnick wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 20:14
depletedvespene wrote:
26 Aug 2021, 20:52


Just out of sheer lack of shame, I'll say "lispnick, I hope you brought enough for everybody!" :mrgreen:

Also, might keycaps for SKCC switches be beyond the factibility of your process? Asking for a... uhhhh... friend? :lol:
With the present technology, it means reworking at least half of all the moulds, … so it depends on the depth of your pocket. :lol: Also, I do not have any SKCC switches to test it. But the good news is that I consider support of various keycap mounts in the future.
I bet you that there would be good money in an MX mount set; goodness knows that I'd pay through the nose for a matching set with a big ass enter which would fit on my K151L!
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it. :lol:

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Muirium
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19 Sep 2021, 16:47

Then I'll wish for it at a price I can afford instead! :P

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lispnick

25 Sep 2021, 23:37

Muirium wrote:
19 Sep 2021, 16:47
Then I'll wish for it at a price I can afford instead! :P
With the kind of manufacturing I run, I am afraid that I cannot get to the price tag of the classic injection-molded sets, however, I would like to offer more value for the price—more customization options including the support of various non-MX mounts.

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Muirium
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26 Sep 2021, 00:02

Given this is DT: the non-MX mounts you're going to be asked about are Topre (doable), Alps (same) and IBM buckling spring (whole other story). Some cheeky buggers like me will even mention IBM beamspring, which is technically more feasible, but the cost of entry to those boards is $1k+. They're rare stuff.

Buckling spring caps have to be hollow. The spring actually buckles inside of them, like this:

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Doubleshot IBM buckling spring caps would be a holy grail, especially around here. Big technical challenge, though. Topre would be a wiser target. They also have limited caps availability—and no doubleshots—but with a much friendlier mount.

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lispnick

26 Sep 2021, 00:45

Muirium wrote:
26 Sep 2021, 00:02
Given this is DT: the non-MX mounts you're going to be asked about are Topre (doable), Alps (same) and IBM buckling spring (whole other story). Some cheeky buggers like me will even mention IBM beamspring, which is technically more feasible, but the cost of entry to those boards is $1k+. They're rare stuff.

Buckling spring caps have to be hollow. The spring actually buckles inside of them, like this:

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Doubleshot IBM buckling spring caps would be a holy grail, especially around here. Big technical challenge, though. Topre would be a wiser target. They also have limited caps availability—and no doubleshots—but with a much friendlier mount.
I bet that with all the AZERTY NOS keyboards that appeared recently, there might be some interest in space invaders as well. I can imagine that some folks would like to make their own builds based on these.

The easiest way to go for buckling springs (from my perspective) is to make keycaps in a dedicated mono profile that is just a cover for Model M stems. By the way, I love this project and took a lot of inspiration from there. It would be great to revive it!

The keycaps for beamsprings are indeed easy. I have two beamspring keyboards to restore, one with a cracked case and a lot of keys missing, so it is in my own interest to make keycaps for it in the future. :lol:

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Muirium
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26 Sep 2021, 16:40

Aha! I may be interested in a few red and green beamspring double shots myself then!

You’re right about buckling spring: “two-piece” uppers are all you need to address, on the alphas anyway. But those fellas clip onto their lower counterparts. I suspect a certain Goldilocks zone of flexibility is required to make them clip right.

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morbid42

04 Oct 2021, 15:22

Wonder if I can purchas some of your awsome keycaps :D , cause I can made the whole keyboard except for the keycaps.
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timw4mail

04 Oct 2021, 15:26

What's with the tape on the spacebars?

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TNT

04 Oct 2021, 15:36

morbid42 wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 15:22
Wonder if I can purchas some of your awsome keycaps :D , cause I can made the whole keyboard except for the keycaps.
That's amazing :shock:

I'm all for that sleek Apple look, but Lispnick's caps surely would be an interesting combination

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lispnick

04 Oct 2021, 17:39

morbid42 wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 15:22
Wonder if I can purchas some of your awsome keycaps :D , cause I can made the whole keyboard except for the keycaps.
I initially did not want to sell just keycaps for several reasons but I got a lot of requests and I am now seriously considering it. I would like to use a slightly different approach that would give me more options and reduces the manufacturing time. I will probably open a separate thread about it later, so stay tuned! :lol:

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TheInverseKey

04 Oct 2021, 19:51

lispnick wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 17:39
morbid42 wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 15:22
Wonder if I can purchas some of your awsome keycaps :D , cause I can made the whole keyboard except for the keycaps.
I initially did not want to sell just keycaps for several reasons but I got a lot of requests and I am now seriously considering it. I would like to use a slightly different approach that would give me more options and reduces the manufacturing time. I will probably open a separate thread about it later, so stay tuned! :lol:
Ohh wow, will stay glued to Spy for this.

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morbid42

05 Oct 2021, 10:49

timw4mail wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 15:26
What's with the tape on the spacebars?
:D to stop the ABS spacebar form yellowing

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morbid42

05 Oct 2021, 10:50

lispnick wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 17:39
morbid42 wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 15:22
Wonder if I can purchas some of your awsome keycaps :D , cause I can made the whole keyboard except for the keycaps.
I initially did not want to sell just keycaps for several reasons but I got a lot of requests and I am now seriously considering it. I would like to use a slightly different approach that would give me more options and reduces the manufacturing time. I will probably open a separate thread about it later, so stay tuned! :lol:
that would be awsome!

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