Posted: 30 Sep 2017, 15:40
just for clarity, kickstarter is a payment gateway
mechanical keyboard authority
https://deskthority.net/
That is a mischaracterization of kickstarter. In fact, Kickstarter uses (and has used other) payment gateways.matt3o wrote: ↑just for clarity, kickstarter is a payment gateway
Then they should now call them "MD" Switches .InvidiousIgnoramus wrote: ↑At most that the switches in it won't be called Halo switches.bloo wrote:What a mess. What does this mean for the K-type?
you're entitled to your opinion of course, but that doesn't make it true. They are two separate types of entities, and have different characteristics.
I was just trying not to be confrontational. Thanks for reminding me that is impossible on the internet. I've done research on this subject and looked at the statutes surrounding this. Your interpretation surrounding this is incorrect, though this has not yet been tested in a court of law. It will be at some point, especially as AGs in different states step in. It just hasn't as of yet.matt3o wrote:they collect money. they don't do absolutely nothing more. they don't collect user info, address, etc. They don't offer logistics. They don't have warehouse. They barely have statistics.
All they do is to collect money from people and give it to you when the campaign ends keeping a cut for themselves.
It is very little more than a payment gateway. They have a huge visibility. I give you that.
oh and thank you for reminding me that I'm entitled of an opinion.
Received their MassDrop version and sure enough they stuffed up all the stabilizers. It feels so tinny and cheap and above all else, so bargain-based every time you try to use any large keyed switch, it feels like you're scraping a rusty tin can.Findecanor wrote: ↑So.... It seems Input Club worked around Massdrop by working directly with Kailh on new switches called Hako Clear and Hako True. These are based on Kailh's "Box" switches and the force graphs are a little bit different than the Halo's. The tactility seems a little sharper and Hako True has less preload than Halo True.
They have a pre-order open for switches: https://kono.store/products/hako-mechanical-switches
Elrick wrote: ↑Input Club aka also known as the Shyster Scum .
My, someone had a bad day.Elrick wrote:Received their MassDrop version and sure enough they stuffed up all the stabilizers. It feels so tinny and cheap and above all else, so bargain-based every time you try to use any large keyed switch, it feels like you're scraping a rusty tin can.Findecanor wrote: ↑So.... It seems Input Club worked around Massdrop by working directly with Kailh on new switches called Hako Clear and Hako True. These are based on Kailh's "Box" switches and the force graphs are a little bit different than the Halo's. The tactility seems a little sharper and Hako True has less preload than Halo True.
They have a pre-order open for switches: https://kono.store/products/hako-mechanical-switches
I wouldn't put it past them to completely stuff up this order because it's their last one, hence for me those cretins calling themselves the "Input Club" are nothing more than greazy shysters, out to screw anyone that gets in their way, including all their MassDrop customers.
Just goes to show the level of deceit and disgusting behaviour they exhibit and then hoping anyone else would join any future Crowd Funding they would run.
Tasted their horrid keyboard and came away sick and nauseous, like eating out at a $2.00 dollar take-away, definitely not impressed with what these clowns produced and their cheapo standard keyboard, that cost way too much for what I actually received.
I don't blame MassDrop I blame these dirty, felching clowns known as "Input-Club", very suspicious and sorry I actually wasted good money on this lame keyboard. Has all the quality of a $30.00USD Flebay Keyboard that no one wants under any price tag, let alone the price I paid for it.
Input Club aka also known as the Shyster Scum .
You got the K-Type, huh? The stabilisers are not part of the switches, so they are a different issue.Elrick wrote: ↑Received their MassDrop version and sure enough they stuffed up all the stabilizers. It feels so tinny and cheap and above all else, so bargain-based every time you try to use any large keyed switch, it feels like you're scraping a rusty tin can.
Luckily, both switches and stabilisers appear to be swappable from the top which means that you should be able to replace them with genuine Cherry plate-mounted stabilisers without too much problem.Yeah, the stabs are probably my least favourite part about the K-Type...
We begged MD for months to fix them and it was passed off as not being important, and that was long before the Halo switch thing started. The main problem is that they didn't source the correct diameter wire for the stabs they chose.
How much did you pay?Elrick wrote: ↑... their cheapo standard keyboard, that cost way too much for what I actually received.
That Hako Clear force graph — that looks really rough.Findecanor wrote: ↑So.... It seems Input Club worked around Massdrop by working directly with Kailh on new switches called Hako Clear and Hako True. These are based on Kailh's "Box" switches and the force graphs are a little bit different than the Halo's. The tactility seems a little sharper and Hako True has less preload than Halo True.
Only through 'suckers' do you get the reality of the situation, I just got mad when I plugged it into the PC and tried to use it. Really cheap quality and well below the standard expected.Wodan wrote: ↑Massdrop and their utter shit crappy turd stabilizers.
I‘m glad I didn‘t get this keyboard because I didn‘t like the way it was marketed beforehand. This trend towards marketing some China MX clones as the salvation just because they got a special spring and and slider is such snake oil business.
I don't think that I:C could block the sale or production, so what do you think that they should have done to solve the situation if massdrop is ignoring their request on not having shitty stabs? The boards were manufactured by MD, not I:C and if MD decide to make it out of second rate shitty components there is nothing that they can do, especially if the contract that they have with MD does not allow them to block the production based on QC issues.Wodan wrote: ↑Massdrop and their utter shit crappy turd stabilizers.
I usually only get them in their kits and just dump them.
Still, this was offered and sold as an I:C product and now they shift the blame for weak spots to Massdrop.
Claiming that a CNC alu case is automatically 100$+ and then adding hypothetical 40$ for keycaps is a bit short sighted. We‘ve seen vortex PBT doubleshots for less than that ...
I‘m glad I didn‘t get this keyboard because I didn‘t like the way it was marketed beforehand. This trend towards marketing some China MX clones as the salvation just because they got a special spring and and slider is such snake oil business.
Seeing that reknown veteran DT members join that cash grab gives me serious doubts. Do you realy think a new stem shape and a different spring turns a 40€-keyboard-switch into a 200€-keyboard-switch?
pomk wrote: ↑ I don't think that I:C could block the sale or production, so what do you think that they should have done to solve the situation if massdrop is ignoring their request on not having shitty stabs? The boards were manufactured by MD, not I:C and if MD decide to make it out of second rate shitty components there is nothing that they can do, especially if the contract that they have with MD does not allow them to block the production based on QC issues.
And the answer of course is to stop all collaboration with MD, as they do not share the same sense of quality.
So they should have a month or two ago said something like: ”Massdrop has decided to not to adhere to our quality standards when it comes to stabilizers and we cannot quarantee that you will receive a quality product. If this is a problem for you we suggest that you contact massdrop and ask for a refund.” ? Would that not be the same (throwing someone under the bus)? Or do you have a better example of how they should have handled it?chuckdee wrote: ↑pomk wrote: ↑ I don't think that I:C could block the sale or production, so what do you think that they should have done to solve the situation if massdrop is ignoring their request on not having shitty stabs? The boards were manufactured by MD, not I:C and if MD decide to make it out of second rate shitty components there is nothing that they can do, especially if the contract that they have with MD does not allow them to block the production based on QC issues.
And the answer of course is to stop all collaboration with MD, as they do not share the same sense of quality.
Maybe to say something ahead of time? Instead of in response to people's complaints? That's the part that seems like throwing someone under the bus.
I'm not trying to assign nor absolve blame. I'm just talking about my perception of what they did do. To me, it seems like they were pointing fingers rather than accepting responsibility.pomk wrote:Yeah, I agree that there is a difference, though whether massdrop would have given refunds is a whole another story. From the lack of any comment from MD on the stab issue I gather that what I:C said is accurate and then the only failure on I:Cs part is that they did not publicly denounce the quality of the massdrop made product ahead of time.
I don't think that they should take responsibility from a production decision made and enforced by MD. It is a product produced by MD and not I:C, I:C only designed it and tried their best to QC it to their standards. MD obviously did not want to make a quality product, or else they would have changed the stabs even without I:C telling them that they are shitty.chuckdee wrote: ↑I'm not trying to assign nor absolve blame. I'm just talking about my perception of what they did do. To me, it seems like they were pointing fingers rather than accepting responsibility.pomk wrote:Yeah, I agree that there is a difference, though whether massdrop would have given refunds is a whole another story. From the lack of any comment from MD on the stab issue I gather that what I:C said is accurate and then the only failure on I:Cs part is that they did not publicly denounce the quality of the massdrop made product ahead of time.
And that's cool. I'm just talking about my opinion from seeing it. I think they should.pomk wrote: ↑I don't think that they should take responsibility from a production decision made and enforced by MD. It is a product produced by MD and not I:C, I:C only designed it and tried their best to QC it to their standards. MD obviously did not want to make a quality product, or else they would have changed the stabs even without I:C telling them that they are shitty.chuckdee wrote: ↑I'm not trying to assign nor absolve blame. I'm just talking about my perception of what they did do. To me, it seems like they were pointing fingers rather than accepting responsibility.pomk wrote:Yeah, I agree that there is a difference, though whether massdrop would have given refunds is a whole another story. From the lack of any comment from MD on the stab issue I gather that what I:C said is accurate and then the only failure on I:Cs part is that they did not publicly denounce the quality of the massdrop made product ahead of time.
edit: yes they should take responsibility for not denouncing the MD produced K-type ahead of time.
The reason why I haven't gone on a public Witch Hunt at MD's website, is simply due to the fact that I do happen to waste money on garbage, I admit that here to everyone.pomk wrote: ↑Yeah, I agree that there is a difference, though whether massdrop would have given refunds is a whole another story. From the lack of any comment from MD on the stab issue I gather that what I:C said is accurate and then the only failure on I:Cs part is that they did not publicly denounce the quality of the massdrop made product ahead of time.
For me it was far more than stabilizers sunshine, the casing is split and in fact it comes apart quite easily if you lever it with a flathead-screw driver. There are six hex bolts missing on the back side which I thought is a design feature but maybe not.neuronbasher wrote: ↑I could decide that the problematic stabilizers outweighs the positive aspects of the rest of the keyboard, but I'd rather just replace the stabilizers instead of whining about it and calling names.
Maybe that's just me, though.
Huh? In this video there are no missing bolts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTyHlXM0j-AElrick wrote: ↑There are six hex bolts missing on the back side which I thought is a design feature but maybe not.
There were no extra hex bolts (spare) inside the packaging anywhere, hence my thinking that is how they designed this
casing.