I'm infected with the modification fever!
- RC-1140
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Unicomp Terminal Emulator
- Main mouse: Razer Mamba
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
Hi everybody,
today the G80-1000s I bought from Ascaii for the springs arrived, and I immediately started harvesting springs, and modding. The Keyboards I bought had MX Blues, as I wanted to perform a Ghetto Red mod on my G80-2551 (yup, that's right: no more vintage Blacks. But don't worry I've kept the springs ). So I was busy for the whole afternoon, opening switches, and exchanging springs. Most keys were pretty easy, but the function keys on my 2551 took very long, as they are Plate Mounted in contrary to the other keys which are PCB mounted. (I noticed that my soldering skills are as good as I remembered them, but my desoldering skills definitely need training) While modding I noticed some interesting things, which I never read about. At first: some of the keys on the G80-2551 aren't doubleshot apparently. (The ”Datenfreigabe“ key e.g.) Second: the Enter key and the function keys use some springs which are different from the other MX Black springs. They were a little more stiff (nearly unnoticable without using a rip-o-meter) and looked a little copperish. (see picture. The left one is an ordinary "Black" spring. The right one is a "Grey" spring from the space key on this keyboard. The one in the middle is the one in question)
While doing the mod I remembered somebody on geekhack talking about a "Ghetto Brown" mod, where he glued the moving, white part of a blue stem, so it wouldn't click. As I'm not really into blues, I just tried it out of curiosity (and because my mother wants a keyboard with browns...) and was surprised. The resulting switch didn't feel like a brown at all. Where a brown switch feels like a gritty linear, this ”Ghetto Brown“ feels more like a worn down, gritty ergoclear. Not really my taste, but maybe someone is interested in this. The only problem I see with these is, that the small gap between the blue and clear part of the stem gives it an additional bump.
Well, and then something else arrived at my door: an Alcatel/Acer KB-101A I bought on ebay.
I didn't really expect much from it, and I only paid like 10€ shipped, but the keyboard was in a pretty good condition (only some scratches on the edges) and the Switches feel absolutely amazing. I never really understood how to distinguish complicated, simplified or whatever ALPS switches there are, but to me with my limited knowledge they look like real complicated white clicky ALPS.
Whatever, but these switches are really great. Until now I never really cared about ALPS switches, but only about Cherry, but now it changed. These switches feel like a mixture between Ergoclears, Blues and Buckling Spring. They have a strong tactile bump with a crisp activation point, and a click that sounds much less plasticky than the one of Blues. I really fell in love with these little things.
Now i'm typing on my ghetto red G80-2551, and feel pretty content.
RC-1140
today the G80-1000s I bought from Ascaii for the springs arrived, and I immediately started harvesting springs, and modding. The Keyboards I bought had MX Blues, as I wanted to perform a Ghetto Red mod on my G80-2551 (yup, that's right: no more vintage Blacks. But don't worry I've kept the springs ). So I was busy for the whole afternoon, opening switches, and exchanging springs. Most keys were pretty easy, but the function keys on my 2551 took very long, as they are Plate Mounted in contrary to the other keys which are PCB mounted. (I noticed that my soldering skills are as good as I remembered them, but my desoldering skills definitely need training) While modding I noticed some interesting things, which I never read about. At first: some of the keys on the G80-2551 aren't doubleshot apparently. (The ”Datenfreigabe“ key e.g.) Second: the Enter key and the function keys use some springs which are different from the other MX Black springs. They were a little more stiff (nearly unnoticable without using a rip-o-meter) and looked a little copperish. (see picture. The left one is an ordinary "Black" spring. The right one is a "Grey" spring from the space key on this keyboard. The one in the middle is the one in question)
While doing the mod I remembered somebody on geekhack talking about a "Ghetto Brown" mod, where he glued the moving, white part of a blue stem, so it wouldn't click. As I'm not really into blues, I just tried it out of curiosity (and because my mother wants a keyboard with browns...) and was surprised. The resulting switch didn't feel like a brown at all. Where a brown switch feels like a gritty linear, this ”Ghetto Brown“ feels more like a worn down, gritty ergoclear. Not really my taste, but maybe someone is interested in this. The only problem I see with these is, that the small gap between the blue and clear part of the stem gives it an additional bump.
Well, and then something else arrived at my door: an Alcatel/Acer KB-101A I bought on ebay.
I didn't really expect much from it, and I only paid like 10€ shipped, but the keyboard was in a pretty good condition (only some scratches on the edges) and the Switches feel absolutely amazing. I never really understood how to distinguish complicated, simplified or whatever ALPS switches there are, but to me with my limited knowledge they look like real complicated white clicky ALPS.
Whatever, but these switches are really great. Until now I never really cared about ALPS switches, but only about Cherry, but now it changed. These switches feel like a mixture between Ergoclears, Blues and Buckling Spring. They have a strong tactile bump with a crisp activation point, and a click that sounds much less plasticky than the one of Blues. I really fell in love with these little things.
Now i'm typing on my ghetto red G80-2551, and feel pretty content.
RC-1140
- Ascaii
- The Beard
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: CM Novatouch, g80-1851
- Main mouse: Corsair M65
- Favorite switch: Ergo clears, Topre
- DT Pro Member: 0019
trust me, it gets worse...would you have use for a bunch of unsoldered orange alps by chance? Ive got other Alps-y stuff flying around here as well.
- hasu
- Location: Japan
- Main keyboard: HHKB
- Main mouse: HHKB
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: -
Yeah. Dirty and unlubed ALPS is just garbage.
Every old and used ALPS needs cleaning and lub. Fortunately ALPS switch is easy to open enclosure.
Edit: Ignore this. I missed completely context of discourse. What I wanted to mean is lubrication might be worth trying if you are disappointed at ALPS switch.
Every old and used ALPS needs cleaning and lub. Fortunately ALPS switch is easy to open enclosure.
Edit: Ignore this. I missed completely context of discourse. What I wanted to mean is lubrication might be worth trying if you are disappointed at ALPS switch.
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- RC-1140
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Unicomp Terminal Emulator
- Main mouse: Razer Mamba
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
Orange ALPS... They were tactile, nonclicky, right? How do they feel compared to other switches like Clears or Browns? Maybe I'm interested in them. Or the other "ALPS-y stuff”. Depends on the price, because originally I wanted to save some money for 7bit's Terminal F.
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
Yeah, right better save your money for the Model F from my avatar!RC-1140 wrote:...Depends on the price, because originally I wanted to save some money for 7bit's Terminal F.
Better make it cheaper!!!Ascaii wrote:Ive got a cheap white alps you could have for 20. The orange alps are tentatively sold.
- RC-1140
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Unicomp Terminal Emulator
- Main mouse: Razer Mamba
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
ahh, well, as I already have a keyboard with white alps, I don't really need it. But I just asked the friend I bought the third G80-1000 for because of it, and he's slightly interested. If you could PM me more information about it, maybe he would take it. But do you have any cheap tactile nonclicky ALPS? I already have too many keyboards with clicky switches.
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- Location: Hong Kong, PRC
- Main keyboard: Wyse Topre Cherry Filco
- Main mouse: logitech m570
- Favorite switch: cherry black
- DT Pro Member: -
also regarding alps, you can mod them even if they are plate mounted, unlike the cherry. one fun board on the alps side is the Wang 724, keep an eye on them. I have removed the tactile leaf spring and installed heavier spring from AEK, it feels great. It is almost the same weight as IBM SSK and has dye sub caps.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mi ... rl=2271265
http://cryo.egloos.com/2629741
http://kbdholic.net/xe/kbd/2543
http://home.wxs.nl/~janvdv/wang/wangmuseum.htm
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mi ... rl=2271265
http://cryo.egloos.com/2629741
http://kbdholic.net/xe/kbd/2543
http://home.wxs.nl/~janvdv/wang/wangmuseum.htm
Last edited by heliar on 12 Feb 2012, 12:54, edited 2 times in total.
- Icarium
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: These fields just
- Main mouse: opened my eyes
- Favorite switch: I need to bring stuff to work
- DT Pro Member: -
I would order some of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wang-724-Keyboa ... 1e664b26e9
if other Germans are interested...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wang-724-Keyboa ... 1e664b26e9
if other Germans are interested...
- Half-Saint
- Location: Slovenia, Europe
- Main keyboard: Raptor Gaming K1
- Main mouse: Logitech G5 Mk.2
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Blue
- DT Pro Member: 0058
That Wang looks nice. Is it ALPS?
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- Location: Italy
- Main keyboard: REALFORCE R2
- Main mouse: Vaxee Outset / CST L-TracX
- Favorite switch: MX Brown / Topre
- DT Pro Member: 0039
it has complicated black alps switches like the Dell keyboards right?litster wrote:yes it is. I bought one from the seller on geekhack without through ebay and it was cheaper than that. It is very nice and NIB. Very solidly built.
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- Location: Hong Kong, PRC
- Main keyboard: Wyse Topre Cherry Filco
- Main mouse: logitech m570
- Favorite switch: cherry black
- DT Pro Member: -
xbb wrote:it has complicated black alps switches like the Dell keyboards right?litster wrote:yes it is. I bought one from the seller on geekhack without through ebay and it was cheaper than that. It is very nice and NIB. Very solidly built.
yes, they should have the same complicated black alps switch, although the wang is much better made the dell. for extra feedback, the wang has a speaker built in at the bottom, you have a tactile audio feedback as well, and it sounds more like a electronic typewriter if you see what I mean.
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- Location: Ugly American
- Main keyboard: As Long As It is Helvetica
- Main mouse: Mickey
- Favorite switch: Wanna Switch? Well, I Certainly Did!
- DT Pro Member: -
Hey, how come he can say that word and I can't?They were a little more stiff (nearly unnoticable without using a rip-o-meter) and looked a little copperish.