Question about my IBM "industrial" / "grey" Model M
- Akephal
- Location: Berlin / Germany
- Main keyboard: Pimped Tada68 / IBM Model M
- Main mouse: Roccat Tyon
- Favorite switch: Lubed Tealios / Amber ALPS
Hi,
(I hope this is the right place for this, if not please tell me and I try to get this post removed).
First of all, I'm sorry because english is not my first language. I've been "using" Deskthority for quit a while but never really made an account. I was inspired to start this post, and to actually create an account on your lovely board, by Chyrosran22. He made a video about his grey Model M and since I just got this one by a lucky find, I thought maybe someone of you can help me out. As you can see form the model sticker it is quit a "new" one and doesn't seem to fit the time sharts I was dealing with. Is it a later one they just did throw together from older parts?
(I hope this is the right place for this, if not please tell me and I try to get this post removed).
First of all, I'm sorry because english is not my first language. I've been "using" Deskthority for quit a while but never really made an account. I was inspired to start this post, and to actually create an account on your lovely board, by Chyrosran22. He made a video about his grey Model M and since I just got this one by a lucky find, I thought maybe someone of you can help me out. As you can see form the model sticker it is quit a "new" one and doesn't seem to fit the time sharts I was dealing with. Is it a later one they just did throw together from older parts?
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- Location: Ireland
- Main keyboard: GMMK TKL-Box White
- Main mouse: Model O
Would you be interested in selling it ?
- daedalus
- Buckler Of Springs
- Location: Ireland
- Main keyboard: Model M SSK (home) HHKB Pro 2 (work)
- Main mouse: CST Lasertrack, Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring, Beam Spring
- DT Pro Member: 0087
The black square label Industrial Model M is usually associated with the IBM 7531, which was an Industrial version of the PC AT. It was launched in mid 1985, and most of the examples you see online are from the mid to late 80s.
There's two possible explanations as to why one was made in 1990:
1) IBM kept making this particular model of Industrial PC for a long time.
2) This was keyboard was refurbished by IBM.
Given that Industrial hardware often manufactured for a long time due to the difficulty of replacing embedded systems, I would put my money on 1)
There's two possible explanations as to why one was made in 1990:
1) IBM kept making this particular model of Industrial PC for a long time.
2) This was keyboard was refurbished by IBM.
Given that Industrial hardware often manufactured for a long time due to the difficulty of replacing embedded systems, I would put my money on 1)
- depletedvespene
- Location: Chile
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F122
- Main mouse: Logitech G700s
- Favorite switch: buckling spring
- DT Pro Member: 0224
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I was going to say the same as Daedalus. Also, it should be remembered that the different plants (USA, UK and Mexico) had different stocks of keyboard parts (something easily noticed when taking into account the "inconsistency" in the dates of "adoption" of the differing logos, from silver square to oval gray to oval blue).
Since "industrial" keyboards were not made in huge numbers, it stands to reason that the Greenock plant simply had a large batch of gray cases in stock, which took long enough to be depleted, allowing for an, indeed, industrial gray keyboard with a black square logo to have been manufactured "as late as" 1990. Another factor that points in the same direction is the actual part number of this keyboard: 1388072, indeed lower than the well-known 1391401, and similar to the part number 1388032 (the US English industrial gray keyboard with a black square logo).
For contrast, I have a couple of Spanish Model M keyboards, part number 1391506, with SDL ports and all. HOWEVER... they were made in 1996 in the USA plant (not in Mexico), which at the time had already become LexMark and was normally producing Spanish Model M keyboards with the part number 82G2384 (with a fixed cable). The plant probably received an order for a batch of, specifically, 1391506 keyboards and manufactured those according to that spec.
So, Akephal, there is nothing weird about your keyboard. You indeed had a lucky find, and you should cherish it. Ensure the keyboard is in full working order and enjoy it for the decades to come!
Since "industrial" keyboards were not made in huge numbers, it stands to reason that the Greenock plant simply had a large batch of gray cases in stock, which took long enough to be depleted, allowing for an, indeed, industrial gray keyboard with a black square logo to have been manufactured "as late as" 1990. Another factor that points in the same direction is the actual part number of this keyboard: 1388072, indeed lower than the well-known 1391401, and similar to the part number 1388032 (the US English industrial gray keyboard with a black square logo).
For contrast, I have a couple of Spanish Model M keyboards, part number 1391506, with SDL ports and all. HOWEVER... they were made in 1996 in the USA plant (not in Mexico), which at the time had already become LexMark and was normally producing Spanish Model M keyboards with the part number 82G2384 (with a fixed cable). The plant probably received an order for a batch of, specifically, 1391506 keyboards and manufactured those according to that spec.
So, Akephal, there is nothing weird about your keyboard. You indeed had a lucky find, and you should cherish it. Ensure the keyboard is in full working order and enjoy it for the decades to come!
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
- DT Pro Member: -
Just, wow.
I've NEVER seen a black-badge ISO model before. I hadn't heard of this p/n, either. It's probably second-gen, not even fist- or zeroth-gen, but still, what an incredible find!
Congratulations mate!
I've NEVER seen a black-badge ISO model before. I hadn't heard of this p/n, either. It's probably second-gen, not even fist- or zeroth-gen, but still, what an incredible find!
Congratulations mate!
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- Akephal
- Location: Berlin / Germany
- Main keyboard: Pimped Tada68 / IBM Model M
- Main mouse: Roccat Tyon
- Favorite switch: Lubed Tealios / Amber ALPS
Thanks all of you for the clearification. (And btw. no I'm not going to sell this one at this point and probably not in the future.)
Edit: I was thinking to open it up and check the PCB and the Rest for part-numbers. Anything I could mess up in the process? (I've never open an Model M).
There are some slight greyish discoloration on the badge, anything I can do about it?
Thanks it just replaced my Keyboard at work. Even my college kinda likes the sound. Reminds him of the "old" days.depletedvespene wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 22:46So, Akephal, there is nothing weird about your keyboard. You indeed had a lucky find, and you should cherish it. Ensure the keyboard is in full working order and enjoy it for the decades to come!
Edit: I was thinking to open it up and check the PCB and the Rest for part-numbers. Anything I could mess up in the process? (I've never open an Model M).
There are some slight greyish discoloration on the badge, anything I can do about it?
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
- DT Pro Member: -
Interesting. It looks like your keyboard does use mostly younger parts - grey plate, no crystal, apparently coloured plastic for the case, but it does have the yellow wires.
- depletedvespene
- Location: Chile
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F122
- Main mouse: Logitech G700s
- Favorite switch: buckling spring
- DT Pro Member: 0224
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Those pictures do point out to the case being older stock than the rest of the parts for the keyboard. Seems that this keyboard is in great condition, too.
- inmbolmie
- Location: Spain
- Main keyboard: Model M SSK
- Main mouse: Some random Logitech
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: 0230
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For sure there are more black square badge ISO model Ms around.
I recently got this one, Spanish ISO, and firstly I wasn’t sure about its legitimacy, but it came with older parts, like a black coiled sdl cable, rainbow colored plate and yellow wires. Also weights slightly more than my regular beige square badge model M , so I have no reason now to doubt about it. Not sure about the controller board as I have no photos at hand. The external tag is missing but I’m sure it has the internal one. Can check it later if anyone is interested.
The strange thing about this one is that the previous owner assured me that the keyboard was originally paired with an IBM 5160 (?), but cannot be 100% sure about this.
I recently got this one, Spanish ISO, and firstly I wasn’t sure about its legitimacy, but it came with older parts, like a black coiled sdl cable, rainbow colored plate and yellow wires. Also weights slightly more than my regular beige square badge model M , so I have no reason now to doubt about it. Not sure about the controller board as I have no photos at hand. The external tag is missing but I’m sure it has the internal one. Can check it later if anyone is interested.
The strange thing about this one is that the previous owner assured me that the keyboard was originally paired with an IBM 5160 (?), but cannot be 100% sure about this.
- depletedvespene
- Location: Chile
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F122
- Main mouse: Logitech G700s
- Favorite switch: buckling spring
- DT Pro Member: 0224
- Contact:
¡Envidiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Not that usual, but not far fetched, either.