HHKB but with arrow keys and Mac function keys?
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- Location: Singapore
Hello! I was just wondering if anyone knew of a mechanical keyboard similar to the HHKB's layout (ie with Ctrl replacing Caps Lock, and the Delete Key being right above the Enter key), except with full size arrow keys and mac function keys? if it has a full-size cmd key (i.e. wider than the x key), that'd be perfect too
I've found the Topre Realforce R2 for Mac, and it looks really good, except for the absolutely outdated connectivity and build. https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R2TL-USVM-WH/
I've found the Topre Realforce R2 for Mac, and it looks really good, except for the absolutely outdated connectivity and build. https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R2TL-USVM-WH/
- Go-Kart
- Location: England
- Main keyboard: HHKB & AnyKey
- Main mouse: Orochi v2
- Favorite switch: Topre 45 g & MaxiSwitch D/S
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Outdated connectivity? You mean it's wired! So's the HHKB, unless you go for Bluetooth (or hack your own like me).
Gotta master that real HHKB. Once you learn the Fn+Arrow key layer, you are golden. For all 60% keyboards… of which it reigns supreme
The JP is an option. But beware its non-standard stagger:
A regular Tenkeyless board, like the Realforce, is a safer bet. 60% just isn't for everyone. Those of us who love it, though, love it like nothing else.
Gotta master that real HHKB. Once you learn the Fn+Arrow key layer, you are golden. For all 60% keyboards… of which it reigns supreme
The JP is an option. But beware its non-standard stagger:
A regular Tenkeyless board, like the Realforce, is a safer bet. 60% just isn't for everyone. Those of us who love it, though, love it like nothing else.
- robo
- Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M SSK (1993)
- Main mouse: Logitech M570
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
> except for the absolutely outdated connectivity and build
The keyboard community is funny. Half the people here are spending their kids' college fund to try to resurrect dinosaurs from the 70s and the other half is horrified by technology from last year.
The keyboard community is funny. Half the people here are spending their kids' college fund to try to resurrect dinosaurs from the 70s and the other half is horrified by technology from last year.
- raoulduke-esq
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Current in the rotation: Silver Badge
- Main mouse: Magic Trackpad 2
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring
Quick everyone!! Throw away ALL your USB A devices and repurchase USB C devices!!! NOOOO outdated connectivity!!!
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Mini USB is a design thought crime! Death to the irreversible infidels!
(I very slightly prefer mini USB to micro USB as its polarity is at least obvious. Micro in the dark? The stuff of nightmares.)
(I very slightly prefer mini USB to micro USB as its polarity is at least obvious. Micro in the dark? The stuff of nightmares.)
- wobbled
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: HHKB PD-KB300 Pro 1
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master 3
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: 0192
Not to mention Micro USB's are incredibly weak. I've managed to rip off two micro USB connectors from xwhatsit controllers when moving a cable in a dodgy direction to try and clamp it down inside a case.
- robo
- Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M SSK (1993)
- Main mouse: Logitech M570
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
The irony is that MicroUSB was introduced partly to be more durable than MiniUSB - despite being thinner it was engineered for more cycles of flexing, inserts, removals, etc. Basically to survive use in a mobile phone, vs stuff like portable hard drives.
Of course dodgy cheap parts probably don't meet those original standards.
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
- DT Pro Member: 0011
There do exist Micro USB sockets where the shield is through-hole soldered to the PCB, making them just as durable as USB-C. And there do exist cables with reversible Micro USB plugs. Both of these are later iterations of the Micro USB connector through, and not the norm.
I've heard about about destroyed USB-C sockets too.
I've heard about about destroyed USB-C sockets too.
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
- DT Pro Member: 0011
I wouldn't call the build "outdated". I'd agree that the design is an acquired taste though ...shearess wrote: ↑09 Sep 2021, 04:24I've found the Topre Realforce R2 for Mac, and it looks really good, except for the absolutely outdated connectivity and build. https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R2TL-USVM-WH/
If you don't need the function keys but still want Topre, you could also take a look at the Leopold FC660C - the 'C' version has Topre switches. You could get the left Ctrl and Command keys in the right positions with DIP switches, but the legends are not exactly right.
Some keyboards from Keychron come with Bluetooth, a Macintosh mode and keycaps with Mac legends (if not a Mac version), and they also have function keys in Apple's order, but the right Command key is 1u which you might not like.
Neither keyboard mentioned has the ability to split the "Delete"/"Backspace" key into two, but I think could be swapped with the \| key using Karabiner though.
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- Palatino
- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Fluctuates.
- Main mouse: Of no interest.
- Favorite switch: Too early to tell.
Nah, I’m growing my kids’ college fund buying keyboards from the 70s