Kaihl spring weight and tactility

JCMax

26 May 2022, 03:17

The best switch I have ever tried, tactility wise, is the Kaihl Navy Speed. However it's very impractical as the springs are so stiff that my hands get too tired when I type on it after 15 minutes. And I was just using it on the space-bar!

I want to swap the spring out with something lighter (while leaving the click-bar alone).

But how will this affect the tactility?
Last edited by JCMax on 27 May 2022, 02:42, edited 1 time in total.

xxhellfirexx

26 May 2022, 05:09

With a lighter spring and the same click bar thickness, the tactility will increase as the lighter spring will give less support after the tactile event. Box jades have a lighter spring than box navy.

https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/415.embed

https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/417.embed

However, using a lighter spring can sometimes cause the switch to not reset as it cannot overcome the click bar.

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Muirium
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26 May 2022, 22:41

I prefixed Kaihl to your thread title as this question presupposes a certain design of switch. There is no clickbar on a lot of switches, and the misleading / unending pedantry which could result from people pointing this out and the whole menagerie of ways the question makes insufficient sense makes even me wince! :geek:

I’d defo try a few different spring weights for experiment’s sake. Quite likely you’ll run into that problem though: too light to reliably return to starting position. That reminds me of similar debates about MX ergo clears.

JCMax

27 May 2022, 02:39

Muirium wrote:
26 May 2022, 22:41
I prefixed Kaihl to your thread title as this question presupposes a certain design of switch. There is no clickbar on a lot of switches, and the misleading / unending pedantry which could result from people pointing this out and the whole menagerie of ways the question makes insufficient sense makes even me wince! :geek:
Thanks. Apologies, it was very late and I was extremely tired when I worded it. :roll:
xxhellfirexx wrote:
26 May 2022, 05:09
With a lighter spring and the same click bar thickness, the tactility will increase as the lighter spring will give less support after the tactile event. Box jades have a lighter spring than box navy.

However, using a lighter spring can sometimes cause the switch to not reset as it cannot overcome the click bar.
Muirium wrote:
26 May 2022, 22:41
I’d defo try a few different spring weights for experiment’s sake. Quite likely you’ll run into that problem though: too light to reliably return to starting position. That reminds me of similar debates about MX ergo clears.
I may just start by swapping them with springs from some of my other switches and just "hone" in on the lightest I can get without interfering with the start position.

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Muirium
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27 May 2022, 11:16

Aye, that's the spirit. A bit of experimenting should establish whether you can hit the sweet spot. This is where a good selection of alternate weighted springs can be very handy; hopefully well labelled! :lol:

No worries about the thread title. We all make mistakes (unless we don't have a Backspace key), I pointed out my edit in case you were wondering WTF happened. No, phpBB has not reached self-awareness… yet! Thank goodness. ;)

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paperWasp

28 May 2022, 22:51

Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x). :lol:

http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/

OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht. :)

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kbdfr
The Tiproman

29 May 2022, 08:08

paperWasp wrote:
28 May 2022, 22:51
Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x). :lol:

http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/

OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht. :)
Have mercy with English native writers :lol:

JCMax

29 May 2022, 20:41

kbdfr wrote:
29 May 2022, 08:08
paperWasp wrote:
28 May 2022, 22:51
Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x). :lol:

http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/

OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht. :)
Have mercy with English native writers :lol:
:lol: Especially those of us posting on the INTERNET!!! Where we spell things however we want without giving a rat's arse!

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I did think that the spelling looked wierd after posting, but left it alone. Couldn't quite put my finger on it. So, Tahnks!!!

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Muirium
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29 May 2022, 22:04

Non native English speaker, constructing logical argument in their adopted language:

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Native English speakers, doing what we do:

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Polecat

29 May 2022, 23:42

Hey, it truly doesn't matter...as long as we're all using a dumbed-down search engine like Google where misspellings actually increase the number of hits.

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Muirium
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30 May 2022, 00:07

Dumbed down and worse. When I want goggles, I expressly want goggles, googles!

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