The best switch I have ever tried, tactility wise, is the Kaihl Navy Speed. However it's very impractical as the springs are so stiff that my hands get too tired when I type on it after 15 minutes. And I was just using it on the space-bar!
I want to swap the spring out with something lighter (while leaving the click-bar alone).
But how will this affect the tactility?
Kaihl spring weight and tactility
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With a lighter spring and the same click bar thickness, the tactility will increase as the lighter spring will give less support after the tactile event. Box jades have a lighter spring than box navy.
https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/415.embed
https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/417.embed
However, using a lighter spring can sometimes cause the switch to not reset as it cannot overcome the click bar.
https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/415.embed
https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/417.embed
However, using a lighter spring can sometimes cause the switch to not reset as it cannot overcome the click bar.
- Muirium
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I prefixed Kaihl to your thread title as this question presupposes a certain design of switch. There is no clickbar on a lot of switches, and the misleading / unending pedantry which could result from people pointing this out and the whole menagerie of ways the question makes insufficient sense makes even me wince!
I’d defo try a few different spring weights for experiment’s sake. Quite likely you’ll run into that problem though: too light to reliably return to starting position. That reminds me of similar debates about MX ergo clears.
I’d defo try a few different spring weights for experiment’s sake. Quite likely you’ll run into that problem though: too light to reliably return to starting position. That reminds me of similar debates about MX ergo clears.
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Thanks. Apologies, it was very late and I was extremely tired when I worded it.Muirium wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 22:41I prefixed Kaihl to your thread title as this question presupposes a certain design of switch. There is no clickbar on a lot of switches, and the misleading / unending pedantry which could result from people pointing this out and the whole menagerie of ways the question makes insufficient sense makes even me wince!
xxhellfirexx wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 05:09With a lighter spring and the same click bar thickness, the tactility will increase as the lighter spring will give less support after the tactile event. Box jades have a lighter spring than box navy.
However, using a lighter spring can sometimes cause the switch to not reset as it cannot overcome the click bar.
I may just start by swapping them with springs from some of my other switches and just "hone" in on the lightest I can get without interfering with the start position.
- Muirium
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Aye, that's the spirit. A bit of experimenting should establish whether you can hit the sweet spot. This is where a good selection of alternate weighted springs can be very handy; hopefully well labelled!
No worries about the thread title. We all make mistakes (unless we don't have a Backspace key), I pointed out my edit in case you were wondering WTF happened. No, phpBB has not reached self-awareness… yet! Thank goodness.
No worries about the thread title. We all make mistakes (unless we don't have a Backspace key), I pointed out my edit in case you were wondering WTF happened. No, phpBB has not reached self-awareness… yet! Thank goodness.
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Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x).
http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/
OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht.
http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/
OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht.
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Have mercy with English native writerspaperWasp wrote: ↑28 May 2022, 22:51Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x).
http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/
OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht.
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Especially those of us posting on the INTERNET!!! Where we spell things however we want without giving a rat's arse!kbdfr wrote: ↑29 May 2022, 08:08Have mercy with English native writerspaperWasp wrote: ↑28 May 2022, 22:51Hmm... This thread contains the name kaihl (4x) and I thought it was kailh (0x).
http://www.kailh.com/Kaihua_Brand/
OK. I can never remember their heigth and widht.
I did think that the spelling looked wierd after posting, but left it alone. Couldn't quite put my finger on it. So, Tahnks!!!
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Non native English speaker, constructing logical argument in their adopted language:
Native English speakers, doing what we do:
Native English speakers, doing what we do:
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Hey, it truly doesn't matter...as long as we're all using a dumbed-down search engine like Google where misspellings actually increase the number of hits.