Razer releases "razer-brand" Cherry switch clones
- scottc
- ☃
- Location: Remote locations in Europe
- Main keyboard: GH60-HASRO 62g Nixies, HHKB Pro1 HS, Novatouch
- Main mouse: Steelseries Rival 300
- Favorite switch: Nixdorf 'Soft Touch' MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
Quote from Razer CEO's Facebook page:
"The all-new Razer Mechanical Switch - Green (Clicky) and Orange (Non-Clicky).
Designed from ground up for gaming."
...seriously?
What are the bets that they're just rebranded Kailh switches again like our friends at Thermaltake?
"The all-new Razer Mechanical Switch - Green (Clicky) and Orange (Non-Clicky).
Designed from ground up for gaming."
...seriously?
What are the bets that they're just rebranded Kailh switches again like our friends at Thermaltake?
- scottc
- ☃
- Location: Remote locations in Europe
- Main keyboard: GH60-HASRO 62g Nixies, HHKB Pro1 HS, Novatouch
- Main mouse: Steelseries Rival 300
- Favorite switch: Nixdorf 'Soft Touch' MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
They just look like Cherry clones with possibly lighter springs or maybe O-rings pre-installed. They might even be Kailh switches.
- Broadmonkey
- Fancy Rank
- Location: Denmark
- Main keyboard: Whitefox
- Main mouse: Zowie FK2
- Favorite switch: MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
I'm gonna barf! as if Razer is known for making quality products made for durability!
But I wonder if they can just get away with something like this? they even state they just copied the "original" mechanical switch (like there is only one) and made it with a shorter actuation point, which I guess they did by just altering the legs on the stem a bit.
But the funny thing is they bash the "original" switch for being made for typing, and yet they choose to copy an MX green?!?!
But I wonder if they can just get away with something like this? they even state they just copied the "original" mechanical switch (like there is only one) and made it with a shorter actuation point, which I guess they did by just altering the legs on the stem a bit.
But the funny thing is they bash the "original" switch for being made for typing, and yet they choose to copy an MX green?!?!
- dorkvader
- Main keyboard: Unicomp
- Main mouse: CST 1550
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring over Capacitave. (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: -
Sure, why not? Chery doesn't have a trademark on the shape (like coke does on their bottle or zamboni does) and the cherry switch patent is from 1983, so it's far past he 20 year term.tlt wrote:Can they actually make a clone without licencing the design from Cherry?
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
- wetto
- Location: Brazil
- Main keyboard: Matias Mini Quiet Pro
- Main mouse: CM Storm Recon
- Favorite switch: Matias Quiet
- DT Pro Member: -
Both Carter and Edgar Matias had already told me months ago that Razer was working with both Kailh and iOne to bring new keyboards with Cherry MX Clones with RGB backlighting.
Gentlemen, our worst nightmares are going to become true...
"The traditional switches were always designed for typing, not for the demands of gaming"...
Oh god... Here it comes..
"Durability increase to 60m keystrokess"...
Jesus christ, I'm going to puke.
Gentlemen, our worst nightmares are going to become true...
"The traditional switches were always designed for typing, not for the demands of gaming"...
Oh god... Here it comes..
"Durability increase to 60m keystrokess"...
Jesus christ, I'm going to puke.
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- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Just to annoy us, I bet the colours are not the same as Cherry's. I mean, MX orange? They're probably aiming right at MX blue with their greens.Broadmonkey wrote: But the funny thing is they bash the "original" switch for being made for typing, and yet they choose to copy an MX green?!?!
- Julle
- Location: Finland
- Main keyboard: Wooting Two HE
- Main mouse: CST L-trac
- Favorite switch: Lekker Hall effect
- DT Pro Member: -
Brown and blue clones with different actuation points... Does Marcellus Wallace look like a bitch?
I just cannot get over the smugness of the narrator's voice in that video. I usually support any development that occurs in mechanical keyboards but this is just smoke and mirrors. I'd rather disturb a hibernating bear than listen to that pompous cack again.
"We pioneered the first mechanical gaming keyboard". Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
I just cannot get over the smugness of the narrator's voice in that video. I usually support any development that occurs in mechanical keyboards but this is just smoke and mirrors. I'd rather disturb a hibernating bear than listen to that pompous cack again.
"We pioneered the first mechanical gaming keyboard". Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0000
- Contact:
Is this the same Razer which used and marketed Cherry Blue switches for gaming?
I used to troll overclock about that:
http://www.overclock.net/t/898198/some- ... lue-debate
Oh wait, that's about an earlier mechanical gaming keyboard.
I used to troll overclock about that:
http://www.overclock.net/t/898198/some- ... lue-debate
Oh wait, that's about an earlier mechanical gaming keyboard.
- BlueBär
- Location: Germany, SB
- Main keyboard: KBT Pure
- Main mouse: Deathadder 2013
- Favorite switch: Ergo Clear 62g/MX White
- DT Pro Member: -
Cherry Blue? Is that one of those "standard mechanical switches" that only last up to 20 million keystrokes?webwit wrote:Is this the same Razer which used and marketed Cherry Blue switches for gaming?
(it's a bit hard to see with the white font)
- guilleguillaume
- Location: Barcelona, Spain
- Main keyboard: Kmac Mini
- Main mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: -
Why do they have to lie in order to sell their products?
Cherry MX switch info
Long life 50 million operations
Cherry MX switch info
Long life 50 million operations
- wetto
- Location: Brazil
- Main keyboard: Matias Mini Quiet Pro
- Main mouse: CM Storm Recon
- Favorite switch: Matias Quiet
- DT Pro Member: -
The only switch with "only" 20 million operations comes from Kailh themselves, which is the "Kailh Linear Red switch":guilleguillaume wrote:Why do they have to lie in order to sell their products?
Cherry MX switch info
Long life 50 million operations
Maybe they posted by mistake the true specifications of their switches?
- 002
- Topre Enthusiast
- Location: Australia
- Main keyboard: Realforce & Libertouch
- Main mouse: Logitech G Pro Wireless
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: 0002
"We were the *first* to make a mechanical switch keyboard in a hideous case with LEDs and obnoxious branding and give it a totally rad wicked-awesome name that gives you the edge in all video-games! Remember kids, a poor tradesman never blames his tools"Julle wrote:"We pioneered the first mechanical gaming keyboard". Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
- bhtooefr
- Location: Newark, OH, USA
- Main keyboard: TEX Shinobi
- Main mouse: TrackPoint IV
- Favorite switch: IBM Selectric (not a switch, I know)
- DT Pro Member: 0056
- Contact:
A few years back, tactile Cherry MX switches were actually rated at 20 million... but I'm pretty sure Cherry had re-rated the blues to 50 million before the BlackWidow came out.
Edit: 2008-10-24: Long life: 50 million operations (linear) and 20 million operations minimum (tactile)
2009-02-08: Long life 50 million operations
And the BlackWidow was announced 2010-08-18: http://www.razerzone.com/press/detail/p ... escom-2010
Edit: 2008-10-24: Long life: 50 million operations (linear) and 20 million operations minimum (tactile)
2009-02-08: Long life 50 million operations
And the BlackWidow was announced 2010-08-18: http://www.razerzone.com/press/detail/p ... escom-2010
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- Main keyboard: filco mj2
- Main mouse: razer mamba
- Favorite switch: blue
- DT Pro Member: -
Yea so Razer can brag with the meaningless numbersbhtooefr wrote:A few years back, tactile Cherry MX switches were actually rated at 20 million... but I'm pretty sure Cherry had re-rated the blues to 50 million before the BlackWidow came out.
- matt3o
- -[°_°]-
- Location: Italy
- Main keyboard: WhiteFox
- Main mouse: Anywhere MX
- Favorite switch: Anything, really
- DT Pro Member: 0030
- Contact:
I stopped listening at "our scientists"... really?
- ماء
- Location: Solo, ID
- Main keyboard: Soon
- Main mouse: Roccat Lua
- Favorite switch: Blacks to heavy>Lighter
- DT Pro Member: -
Linear longer than tactilebhtooefr wrote:A few years back, tactile Cherry MX switches were actually rated at 20 million... but I'm pretty sure Cherry had re-rated the blues to 50 million before the BlackWidow came out.
Edit: 2008-10-24: Long life: 50 million operations (linear) and 20 million operations minimum (tactile)
2009-02-08: Long life 50 million operations
And the BlackWidow was announced 2010-08-18: http://www.razerzone.com/press/detail/p ... escom-2010
this real or not?
blue some years ago>>>>>like brown
brown some years ago>>>>like reds
blacks/linear some years ago>>>>like water
- bhtooefr
- Location: Newark, OH, USA
- Main keyboard: TEX Shinobi
- Main mouse: TrackPoint IV
- Favorite switch: IBM Selectric (not a switch, I know)
- DT Pro Member: 0056
- Contact:
You know, I wonder if any advertising regulation bodies can slap Razer for the "first mechanical gaming keyboard" claim.
SteelSeries would like a word with Razer: http://web.archive.org/web/200512250939 ... ed_in_asia
October 2005.
Although they claimed 60 million out of MX blacks, which Cherry has never claimed...
SteelSeries would like a word with Razer: http://web.archive.org/web/200512250939 ... ed_in_asia
October 2005.
Although they claimed 60 million out of MX blacks, which Cherry has never claimed...
- cookie
- Location: Hamburg, Germany
- Main keyboard: HHKB Pro 2
- Main mouse: MX Master
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: -
"We pioneered the verry first mechanical keyboard..."
What bullshit... Steelseries was one of the first companys who put MX switches in their "Gaming Keyboards"
Long before Razer sold their rubbish, overpriced, arctosa trash!
Man this commercial drives me mad
Edit:
WOOOOOW 0.3mm reduced travel! GENIOUS! This will surely overcome the latency of your internet connection...
Razer has gone to far... I am tossing my stuff!
What bullshit... Steelseries was one of the first companys who put MX switches in their "Gaming Keyboards"
Long before Razer sold their rubbish, overpriced, arctosa trash!
Man this commercial drives me mad
Edit:
WOOOOOW 0.3mm reduced travel! GENIOUS! This will surely overcome the latency of your internet connection...
Razer has gone to far... I am tossing my stuff!
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
- DT Pro Member: 0010
Original Cherry data sheet for the "first generation" G80-2100 (with black switches), i.e. end of the 80s:
- BlueBär
- Location: Germany, SB
- Main keyboard: KBT Pure
- Main mouse: Deathadder 2013
- Favorite switch: Ergo Clear 62g/MX White
- DT Pro Member: -
Best thing about that is that it is very well within the ±0,6mm pretravel tolerancescookie wrote:WOOOOOW 0.3mm reduced travel! GENIOUS! This will surely overcome the latency of your internet connection...
Razer has gone to far... I am tossing my stuff!