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andj00 wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 09:57

If I don't religiously search for people I don't like discussing me and start shit about it I'll literally die

yes, finally someone who agrees with me

You can all go ahead and call him a dickhole, no admin is going to interfere anyway

KeebMeUp wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 09:58

yeah I'm the one talking shit.

get a life.

your dickhole

isn't it like 1 in the morning in CA? awfully big of a man to post about getting a life at 1 in the morning on a keyboard forum lol

lol yes resort to calling me names now please

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:01

isn't it like 1 in the morning in CA? awfully big of a man to post about getting a life at 1 in the morning on a keyboard forum lol

lol okay

KeebMeUp wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:02

lol yes resort to calling me names now please

100% what a dickhole would say

aw shucks

Starting a post with „lol“ = admitting you‘re a dickhole

if you had only picked MX blacks as your fav switch then wodan wouldn't be cyberbulling you so hard right now

A pity the Demongolator is no longer active.

Wodan wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:06

Starting a post with „lol“ = admitting you‘re a dickhole

yawn

esteemed typists prefer MX-M8 adapter switches over the more pedestrian MX black, I'd start talking those up if you want to get on his good side

KeebMeUp wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:07

yawn

that's what you get for posting so late

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:06

if you had only picked MX blacks as your fav switch then wodan wouldn't be cyberbulling you so hard right now

is it too late to change

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:08

KeebMeUp wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:07

yawn

that's what you get for posting so late

tell me a bedtime story about Alps SKCC

Ah, a true scholar's switch indeed!
You will notice that many SKCC boards have the switches for single unit and vertical switches oriented such that the switchplate is east or west facing, and on horizontal caps the switches are oriented such that the switchplate is facing north or west. This is done to increase stability along the axis that the switch is expected to experience the most off-center presses along. (this is the same reason the F key row on apple boards is similarly rotated as the tall caps require more stability) the keycap mount and plate cutout for SKCC is rotationally symmetrical and so it is far easier to accomplish this with SKCC than it is for SKCL/SKCM.

This of course doesn't work for SKCC butterscotch, which was made by general instruments and not alps, both because GI was likely unaware of this method by which to increase stability, but also because SKCC butterscotch is an angled stem switch that is not rotationally symmetrical. Additionally, SKCC side angled cream is not able to be rotated for the same reason.

that was great zrrion. made me smile before bed. thank you for that.

to be honest I'm just hoping we all can one day put differences aside and have pleasant discussions about keyboards without the unnecessary drama.

cheers to that day. goodnight friends.

and p.s. Alps SKCC is indeed a pretty kick ass switch haha

SKFF similarly has stems that are rotationally symmetrical and they are also rotated for optimal stability. However SKFF has 2 nubs on the longer fins of the cruciform and keycaps are not molded with indentations for these nubs on all 4 of the fins of the cruciform and as a result putting SKFF into an SKFF cap (or an SKCC cap) in a rotation other than the one it was created for may damage the cap. This issue may be avoided by shaving the nubs off of the slider of the switch if you are feeling adventurous.

ZzZzZz (it's working!)

Tall SKCC and SKCC grey do not have the same mount as SKCC or SKFF, and has a unique mount and so caps for those switches are not the focus of previous posts. Mitsumi KAM used on the m0110a uses a mount that is not found on any other KAM switches apart from the ones on the m0110a and it appears to be compatible with tall SKCC and SKCC grey but I am not able to confirm this suspicion presently.

The reed switch found in the Toshiba RS3081 (which recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate is built off of an earlier design) has a similar mount to SKFF, but the switches of that keyboard, despite having a rotationally symmetrical plate cutout, are only rotationally symmetrical in half turns and are not able to be used with a non-horizontal orientation of the switch.

Spring bridge is also rotationally symmetrical in terms of mount and plate cutout (for the cruciform version of the switch at any rate) but the slider is round and so there is no reason to rotate it in the way that you would rotate the other switches discussed

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:39

…recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate…

Glad to hear he's still around and doing his inimitable thing. Comforting news like that would put me well to bed, but it's mid-morning here and the day's just getting started!

Those function row caps in the AEK etc. are rotated to guard against back/forward wobbling, I presume, while the regular keys are oriented with left/right stability in mind?

This thread took a wholesome turn! I'm enjoying it. Coffee, pastry and a few switch stories.

Muirium wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 11:16

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:39

…recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate…

Comforting news like that would put me well to bed, but it's mid-morning here and the day's just getting started!

An Alps story and a freshly made morning coffee - is there a better way to start the day?

Muirium wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 11:16

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:39

…recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate…

Glad to hear he's still around and doing his inimitable thing.

Yeah he has done some amazing work. The two of us have been texting and digging up a lot of things over the past few weeks from old magazines. Hope I can share some progress in a dedicated thread soon

Lalaland124 wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 12:07

Muirium wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 11:16

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:39

…recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate…

Comforting news like that would put me well to bed, but it's mid-morning here and the day's just getting started!

An Alps story and a freshly made morning coffee - is there a better way to start the day?

I hope there is no incorrect order to this as I already read the story and I am just about to make coffee.

Lalaland124 wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 12:07

Muirium wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 11:16

zrrion wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2022, 10:39

…recent research from beardsmore seems to indicate…

Glad to hear he's still around and doing his inimitable thing.

Yeah he has done some amazing work. The two of us have been texting and digging up a lot of things over the past few weeks from old magazines. Hope I can share some progress in a dedicated thread soon

I need to dig up his website and look into his articles about different types of switch sensing.

Quick question though since I suppose many people on here will know - what type of sensing do Beamspring keyboards use?
The sensing in IBM Model F's (I know they are Buckling spring, not Beamspring, I am trying to figure both out) is capacitive, correct? So is the sensing in Topre?