Since the names "Z-mount" and "U-mount" are not used anywhere except in our Wiki (which was my fault), there is demand to change them. (see the thread: Keycap mount nomenclature.)
However, there are no other names that are both concise and unambiguous, or otherwise we would all agree on what to use.
Therefore, I put them up for a vote. If someone would find any official mount designation in the future, we could always change it then.
Nominations are closed. They had been posted in Keycap mount nomenclature - Nomination thread
This poll will close on Saturday morning (CET.)
The Wiki article on the mount type is here
Vote: Which term should replace "Z-mount" in the Wiki?
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Findecanor
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The winner is "Alps mount". If you don't like it, tough.
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Findecanor
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I have made the change in the Wiki, everywhere except for the page Alps classic Z mount.
"Alps classic Z mount" was a provisional name, anyway. I suggest "Alps oval slider"
"Alps classic Z mount" was a provisional name, anyway. I suggest "Alps oval slider"
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Daniel Beardsmore
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No, you haven't.Findecanor wrote:I have made the change in the Wiki, everywhere …
(As a hint, you've botched this completely for a start: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Ke ... th_Z_mount)
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Findecanor
- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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The category had only one entry: Alps classic Z mount, and the category would have been empty once that page is edited.
Nonetheless, I replaced the category's article with a redirect to the new category.
Nonetheless, I replaced the category's article with a redirect to the new category.
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Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
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You don't understand categories, for a start. They must be actively created (and assigned parent categories), and by mass renaming everything, you moved all the pages except one to a nonexistent category.
There's plenty more for you to fix.
By the way, your polls never actually gave anyone the chance to actually accept the status quo.
There's plenty more for you to fix.
By the way, your polls never actually gave anyone the chance to actually accept the status quo.
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Findecanor
- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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I created a lot of these categories and wrote their descriptions, and I do understand categories.
A category is created as soon as at least one article contains a link to it. By replacing the text in the links, the articles were moved to the new category. I had just missed copying and editing the textual article (which included the link to the parent category) that was part of the old "Keyboard switches with Z mount" category. That is fixed now.
I was still editing when you wrote your reply. Please check again, and let me know if you see a problem.
I renamed the "Alps classic Z mount" to "Alps low-profile oval slider" because it has a low profile and a rounded slider and to relate it with the "Alps low profile" which is most known to have been used in the Apple Adjustable Keyboard. I noticed that there wasn't actually any "Alps low profile" article, so I added that one too. The latter was called "Low Profile ALPS" back on the old Geekhack Wiki but I put the word "Alps" first because it is first in the names of the other Alps switches in the DT Wiki.
The old mount designations would have been part of the polls if they had been nominated, but they weren't. Neither of "Alps mount" or "Cherry MX mount" is my favourite name for those mount types either, but they are what most people voted for.
A category is created as soon as at least one article contains a link to it. By replacing the text in the links, the articles were moved to the new category. I had just missed copying and editing the textual article (which included the link to the parent category) that was part of the old "Keyboard switches with Z mount" category. That is fixed now.
I was still editing when you wrote your reply. Please check again, and let me know if you see a problem.
I renamed the "Alps classic Z mount" to "Alps low-profile oval slider" because it has a low profile and a rounded slider and to relate it with the "Alps low profile" which is most known to have been used in the Apple Adjustable Keyboard. I noticed that there wasn't actually any "Alps low profile" article, so I added that one too. The latter was called "Low Profile ALPS" back on the old Geekhack Wiki but I put the word "Alps" first because it is first in the names of the other Alps switches in the DT Wiki.
The old mount designations would have been part of the polls if they had been nominated, but they weren't. Neither of "Alps mount" or "Cherry MX mount" is my favourite name for those mount types either, but they are what most people voted for.
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Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 1 (home)/Poker II backlit (work)
- Main mouse: MS IMO 1.1
- Favorite switch: Probably not whatever I wrote here
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For one thing, all the media pages have filenames and descriptions that are now wrong. Also, the switch recognition page needs rethinking to make it 100% clear that "Cherry MX mount" does NOT mean solely Cherry switches, nor does "Alps mount" mean "it's an Alps switch".
There are several Alps switches not yet posted — not got around to those yet (especially since I have to name them all). I don't know that those two are related though. I've only just found some tiny pictures of the internals of the oval one. (I'll let you have "oval" — I don't accept it's an oval, but careful examination of various mathematical definitions of oval may allow it, even though the slider takes the exact same keycaps as other switches! The oval part is nothing to do with the mount. However, some caps, including some of Acer's, don't have the stem slot required to fit on some of the really old Alps switches with the peg inside the slider slot. Yet another thing to cover in detail, so much so that I think that Cherry and Alps mounts probably need pages of their own to deal with the complexities, including M8 vs MX)
There are several Alps switches not yet posted — not got around to those yet (especially since I have to name them all). I don't know that those two are related though. I've only just found some tiny pictures of the internals of the oval one. (I'll let you have "oval" — I don't accept it's an oval, but careful examination of various mathematical definitions of oval may allow it, even though the slider takes the exact same keycaps as other switches! The oval part is nothing to do with the mount. However, some caps, including some of Acer's, don't have the stem slot required to fit on some of the really old Alps switches with the peg inside the slider slot. Yet another thing to cover in detail, so much so that I think that Cherry and Alps mounts probably need pages of their own to deal with the complexities, including M8 vs MX)
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Findecanor
- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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I did not want to change any file names.Daniel Beardsmore wrote:For one thing, all the media pages have filenames and descriptions that are now wrong.
You are right that I had neglected to search and replace in the file descriptions and in a couple of category articles.
I think that the text is good enough. I put "Cherry MX mount" and "Alps mount" in quotes, and there were already sections captioned "Non-Alps switches" and "Non-Cherry switches".Daniel Beardsmore wrote:Also, the switch recognition page needs rethinking to make it 100% clear that "Cherry MX mount" does NOT mean solely Cherry switches, nor does "Alps mount" mean "it's an Alps switch".
However, I am not sure that the names of the articles should be "<mount> recognition". The page should help recognizing the switch after the mount has already been recognized. I think it would be better with "Recognizing a switch with <mount>", or similar.
By the way, could we not put the recognition guide into the "Switches with <mount>" categories?
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Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
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- Favorite switch: Probably not whatever I wrote here
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@Soarer
Wait, the whole point of picking a mount name was to define the name of the mount. Having "$MOUNTNAME compatible" or "$MOUNTNAME or equivalent" is precisely the sort of confusion and nonsense I was trying to avoid in the first place. :headdesk:
@findecanor
You can add the recognition guides into additional categories if you want. I put them in the guides section because, well, they're guides. As for page names, I prefer succinct names personally. At the moment, though, I haven't decided what I'm doing with those pages — there's no way we'd ever get enough people to supply the switch photos that they want to see on those pages, and it's really hard drawing diagrams from some of the poky little photos out there on the Web. I also won't take Mousefan's photos without permission; I did ask in the Japanese forum if anyone has a contact for him — no response, obviously. I'm personally not convinced that I shouldn't just rip down all those pages and have something like this:
http://www7.ocn.ne.jp/~hisao/jiku.htm
(Mousefan's switch gallery)
Basically, you'll get people to vote, but nothing more.
Wait, the whole point of picking a mount name was to define the name of the mount. Having "$MOUNTNAME compatible" or "$MOUNTNAME or equivalent" is precisely the sort of confusion and nonsense I was trying to avoid in the first place. :headdesk:
@findecanor
You can add the recognition guides into additional categories if you want. I put them in the guides section because, well, they're guides. As for page names, I prefer succinct names personally. At the moment, though, I haven't decided what I'm doing with those pages — there's no way we'd ever get enough people to supply the switch photos that they want to see on those pages, and it's really hard drawing diagrams from some of the poky little photos out there on the Web. I also won't take Mousefan's photos without permission; I did ask in the Japanese forum if anyone has a contact for him — no response, obviously. I'm personally not convinced that I shouldn't just rip down all those pages and have something like this:
http://www7.ocn.ne.jp/~hisao/jiku.htm
(Mousefan's switch gallery)
Basically, you'll get people to vote, but nothing more.
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Soarer
- Location: UK
- Favorite switch: F
- DT Pro Member: -
Oh screw you and your :headdesk:, I've just demolished a wall with only my left eyebrow 
The whole point of picking the names we have is that they ARE the best names for the mount, since they're used by just about everyone. Sure, that's somewhat a matter of opinion, but no better names were suggested. Besides, who is this wiki being written for?
The simple truth is that switch X has its own unique mount X, with very few exceptions. And here we are arguing about how to describe a few exceptions... pointless.
The whole point of picking the names we have is that they ARE the best names for the mount, since they're used by just about everyone. Sure, that's somewhat a matter of opinion, but no better names were suggested. Besides, who is this wiki being written for?
The simple truth is that switch X has its own unique mount X, with very few exceptions. And here we are arguing about how to describe a few exceptions... pointless.