Kaihua Box Navy Switches (supersized click bar)
- ohaimark
- Kingpin
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Siemens G80 Lookalike
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Reasonably smooth, punch through the table downstroke feel, huge force drop on the upstroke. I like them, but they're not for everyone. Regardless, the sound is awesome.
Feel free to ask questions. It's late-ish here and I'm feeling lazy, so... Yeah. Easier for me to answer things piecemeal.
Feel free to ask questions. It's late-ish here and I'm feeling lazy, so... Yeah. Easier for me to answer things piecemeal.
- Elrick
- Location: Swan View, AUSTRALIA
- Main keyboard: Alps - As much as Possible.
- Main mouse: MX518
- Favorite switch: Navy Switch, ALPs, Model-M
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I've got Zealios - worthless Crapola.mike52787 wrote: ↑0/10 not enough zealios
Placed an order for some Box Navy switches simply because I love their "Loudness" something every Model-M owner knows about. Every keyboard switch should be loud because that is what every keyboard should sound like 24/7 when used.
The Box Navy's is far more interesting and suits my preference to a Tee .
- seebart
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Ahh how I love your blunt statements Elrick...Elrick wrote: ↑Every keyboard switch should be loud because that is what every keyboard should sound like 24/7 when used.
- typed on a semi-quiet Topre.
- daedalus
- Buckler Of Springs
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- Main keyboard: Model M SSK (home) HHKB Pro 2 (work)
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Have some of these on the way for a TEX Yoda II build I will be doing, interested to see what they're like.
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The first time Management came to my desk to talk to me about my loud keyboard the conversation went something like this:Elrick wrote: ↑Every keyboard switch should be loud because that is what every keyboard should sound like 24/7 when used.
Them: So, we've had complaints that your keyboard is loud and distracting.
Me: That's the sound of productivity.
Them: Well, your co-worker aren't used to it.
Me: They're not used to working with productive people, clearly.
It went downhill from there.
- Elrick
- Location: Swan View, AUSTRALIA
- Main keyboard: Alps - As much as Possible.
- Main mouse: MX518
- Favorite switch: Navy Switch, ALPs, Model-M
- DT Pro Member: -
You need to attain management position immediately so as to never tolerate others, putting their interests ahead of yours.__red__ wrote: ↑ Them: So, we've had complaints that your keyboard is loud and distracting.
Me: That's the sound of productivity.
Them: Well, your co-worker aren't used to it.
Me: They're not used to working with productive people, clearly.
In any company it's all about monthly profit gains, minimum theft and damage to company equipment. How you get there will be all up to you hence head office will always turn a blind eye to what you enjoy and promote within your own office space.
Has always been that way since I was a boy and nothing much has changed, even in the 21st century.
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
Can you do a nickel test? I can't find force curves on these anywhere.
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
Thank you! I was looking under Kaihua, didn't see Novelkeys there. So that's kind of what I was expecting from a quoted 60g activation I saw. But then I saw somewhere else talking about 95g weight, which seemed insane.
That looks right up my alley, so I'll try to get these when they come into stock.
That looks right up my alley, so I'll try to get these when they come into stock.
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
Hmm... The plot thickens. That graph has been superceded by a very different one at the end of December. The new one shows a peak force of 80g just before the break.
https://plot.ly/~haata/415
https://plot.ly/~haata/415
- Elrick
- Location: Swan View, AUSTRALIA
- Main keyboard: Alps - As much as Possible.
- Main mouse: MX518
- Favorite switch: Navy Switch, ALPs, Model-M
- DT Pro Member: -
The Box Navy rules, I need to sing this tune;Techno Trousers wrote: ↑That looks right up my alley, so I'll try to get these when they come into stock.
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
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- ohaimark
- Kingpin
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Siemens G80 Lookalike
- Main mouse: Logitech G502
- Favorite switch: Blue Alps
- DT Pro Member: 1337
I posted the old graph -- the new one is more accurate. My fingers back that peak force up. Thankfully it isn't all that bad after using an M at the office for a while.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑Hmm... The plot thickens. That graph has been superceded by a very different one at the end of December. The new one shows a peak force of 80g just before the break.
https://plot.ly/~haata/415
If you're looking for a more balanced switch, I recommend Kaihua Box Heavy Pale Blue. It doesn't have the same aggressive click of the Box Navys, nor the ridiculous tactility, but it definitely is better than other modern clicky options that I'm aware of.
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
I'm thinking I might take a chance on the Jade, though I've read elsewhere that at least the initial batch had a very slow upstroke because the light spring couldn't overcome the resistance. Hmm.
- ohaimark
- Kingpin
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Siemens G80 Lookalike
- Main mouse: Logitech G502
- Favorite switch: Blue Alps
- DT Pro Member: 1337
Yeah. I wouldn't do the Jade -- its spring is way too light. You're basically lifting your fingers up midstroke and waiting for the switch to catch up.
You should definitely look into Box Heavy Pale Blues instead.
You should definitely look into Box Heavy Pale Blues instead.
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
The Box Heavy Pale Blues have the same small click bar as the box whites, though, right? Just a heavier spring?
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
Yeah, the initial hump to get the bar started over the stem bump looks smoother for sure. I'll give the box pale blues a shot. Thanks for all the advice!
I wonder how it would be if someone made a "medium" thickness click bar. I think tactility that exactly split the difference between box pale blue and box navy would be just about perfect on paper. Maybe comparable to a lighter membrane buckling spring.
I wonder how it would be if someone made a "medium" thickness click bar. I think tactility that exactly split the difference between box pale blue and box navy would be just about perfect on paper. Maybe comparable to a lighter membrane buckling spring.
- Elrick
- Location: Swan View, AUSTRALIA
- Main keyboard: Alps - As much as Possible.
- Main mouse: MX518
- Favorite switch: Navy Switch, ALPs, Model-M
- DT Pro Member: -
Just received my box "Pale Blues" from MassDrop and guess what, they're not Pale Blue.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑The Box Heavy Pale Blues have the same small click bar as the box whites, though, right? Just a heavier spring?
Either it's my eyes or maybe I can't tell the difference but I see a Bluey-Grey colour instead. It's not dark like the Navy's I bought but those so-called Pale Blue pieces, that they show on the internet are fake.
Have to get one of my minions to see this colour, just in case my eye balls are shot from being in the outback nearly all my life.
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
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So where are all you buying these?
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The graph above said "NovelKeys". I suppose they are NovelKeys exclusive then. Out of stock, now...
https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/novel ... ck-clicks/
https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/novel ... ck-clicks/
- Menuhin
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: HHKB PD-KB400BN lubed, has Hasu Bt Controller
- Main mouse: How to make scroll ring of Expert Mouse smoother?
- Favorite switch: Gateron ink lubed
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Kbdfans seems to have everything that are currently hot and currently trending (and made in China):
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/swtich/p ... -navy-jade
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/swtich/p ... -navy-jade
- seebart
- Offtopicthority Instigator
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
- Favorite switch: IBM capacitive buckling spring
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- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
I ordered mine from Kbdfans. Elrick, are yours actually counterfeit, or is it a case that the picture didn't accurately depict the color? Do they have that medium weight and strong click at actuation?
- seebart
- Offtopicthority Instigator
- Location: Germany
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I found this offer at KPrepublic Store...FAKE?
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/produc ... 7667QsRCAp
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/produc ... 7667QsRCAp
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- Location: New Jersey
- Main keyboard: Ergodox
- Main mouse: Razer Naga
- Favorite switch: Box Jade
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Probably not fake, but if it were a box navy or jade switch I would be concerned.seebart wrote: ↑I found this offer at KPrepublic Store...FAKE?
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/produc ... 7667QsRCAp
- Elrick
- Location: Swan View, AUSTRALIA
- Main keyboard: Alps - As much as Possible.
- Main mouse: MX518
- Favorite switch: Navy Switch, ALPs, Model-M
- DT Pro Member: -
If they're FAKE then MassDrop will need to do a major REFUND on these.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑I ordered mine from Kbdfans. Elrick, are yours actually counterfeit, or is it a case that the picture didn't accurately depict the color? Do they have that medium weight and strong click at actuation?
Although the Click is sublime and if you love clicky switches, these so-called "Pale Blues" will be loved as much as any Alps based keyboard.
Not trying to put down any Alps based keyboard here but if ALL the manufacturers start putting these switches into all of their keyboards, what a lovely sound it would make .
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
I do love clicky switches (first loves were the Model M and Alps SKCM white, way back when both were in production). I'm really looking forward to loading up a keyboard with these pale blues.
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- Location: New Jersey
- Main keyboard: Ergodox
- Main mouse: Razer Naga
- Favorite switch: Box Jade
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Elrick, The pale blues and navy blues have the same spring, but he navy blues have a thicker click bar. You have the pale blues as massdrop has not sold the navy blues
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- Location: WV
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I took care of the Massdrop shipping/sorting of my Heavy BOX Switches, so they definitely are real and not fake.Elrick wrote: ↑Just received my box "Pale Blues" from MassDrop and guess what, they're not Pale Blue.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑The Box Heavy Pale Blues have the same small click bar as the box whites, though, right? Just a heavier spring?
Either it's my eyes or maybe I can't tell the difference but I see a Bluey-Grey colour instead. It's not dark like the Navy's I bought but those so-called Pale Blue pieces, that they show on the internet are fake.
Have to get one of my minions to see this colour, just in case my eye balls are shot from being in the outback nearly all my life.