Round 7 / ALGOL-style / Deadline 2018-11-30

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mecano

14 Sep 2016, 10:49

7bit wrote:
mecano wrote:
7bit wrote: There are already the backspace arrow and the delete cross, which look much more elegant.
Agreed these are far more elegant. But if one can use a normal left arrow for backspace how about making some room for a brand new symbol?

Shouldn't the replace next be consistent with the replace symbol?
The attachment replace symbol? is no longer available
draw/annotate/score/edit/bitmap/etc.
The attachment pencil is no longer available
That is the revert or reload symbol.
:roll:
Ok but then where is the redo/unrevert symbol?
I thought about using this as the undo/revert/reload/left rotation:
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while this one is redo/unload/right rotation:
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and this the replace/switch/substitute/loop/repeat (while not perfect for the last two terms):
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7bit

14 Sep 2016, 10:51

ischeinfeld wrote: I know the purpose of the CADET style is primarily to pay homage to history, but a small set of alternate caps (an example below) would greatly enhance its usability.

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Is there a plan for a Hyper7 layout and/or front-printed greek characters?
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It is not yet in the list, but the legends are ready.
:-)

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mecano

14 Sep 2016, 11:37

Better loop/repeat/load/run/replace next suggestion:
loop
loop
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Shuffle for VCRSYM:
shuffle
shuffle
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Merge/combine/fusion/fork, as R3 can be rotate for more meanings:
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ocr fork
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7bit

14 Sep 2016, 11:44

Shuffle is not a good idea for video tapes ...
:?

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mecano

14 Sep 2016, 13:00

7bit wrote: Shuffle is not a good idea for video tapes ...
:?
…but can be fun :mrgreen:
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jmeekhof

14 Sep 2016, 14:32

7bit wrote:
priyadi wrote: No love for blanks? No colemak and dvorak layout?

Implement some kind of search function please. I used to use browser's ctrl-F with the previous format, it is impossible to do that now
RoostrC0gburn wrote: what happened to hyper7 kits? :(
Jessicup wrote: Am I missing something, or are there only 1.75u shifts in gray and green?

No violet makes me very sad :cry:

Edit: And no 1.5u R2 backspace :( I want to join this so badly, but with literally no HHKB support, I can't justify it :(
These come later. There are still some HYPER7 kits available from Round 6!
:o
jebbra wrote: Can we get the color chip code for each color used? And just realize the color distribution isn't as broad as last round (no blue 1u shift when there are another blue mods available). Or I just not yet see it? The website quite confusing tbh hehe.
I will add these missing keys later.
So, if I were to order a kit, would I be able to add the dvorak keys later?

92u

14 Sep 2016, 14:37

Hey 7bit, i got a idea for how cheaper inter kits could be made. My idea would be only making the special letters for most germanic languages ÅÄÖÜ etc. And just those. My guess is it those were allot cheaper it would boost the amount sold.

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7bit

14 Sep 2016, 15:04

The question is, what should go above those ÅÄÖÜ legends to match the other Cadet legends?
:?

maximm

14 Sep 2016, 15:14

I dont care about the cadet legends, just give me the ÅÄÖ :)

92u

14 Sep 2016, 15:43

maximm wrote: I dont care about the cadet legends, just give me the ÅÄÖ :)
True aslong as it matches the colors im happy

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GriffDeLaGriff

14 Sep 2016, 16:03

It wont work very good since atleast Swedish and Norwegian also have completely different shiftoptions on all the numbers and believe me its a pita to program with. You could always leave the number-row blank but all other keys are also wrong like "_" and "<" etc.

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nowai

14 Sep 2016, 16:13

7bit wrote:
:o
It is not yet in the list, but the legends are ready.
:-)
really nice, thank you! now I'll have to order 2 sets :x

92u

14 Sep 2016, 16:18

GriffDeLaGriff wrote: It wont work very good since atleast Swedish and Norwegian also have completely different shiftoptions on all the numbers and believe me its a pita to program with. You could always leave the number-row blank but all other keys are also wrong like "_" and "<" etc.
It would be a cheaper way of doing it and it would probably attract more people from EU as the current inter kit costs 89 USD and is only avaliable in 2 colors.

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t8c

14 Sep 2016, 16:34

Any chance to get some white on gray/ black modifiers and maybe a COMMODORE logo key like in Matt3os Retro GBs (picture from keypuller) ? 8-)

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SL89

14 Sep 2016, 16:53

IM NOT GONNA MISS THIS ROUND. 3RD TIME IS THE CHARM!!!!

hackerbeavis

14 Sep 2016, 17:48

7bit wrote:
segacontroller wrote: I see black in the color options, but no black on the order sheet? Am I missing something?
That color was necessary to make room for 7 and the alien.
;-)

However, I might add that color later. But first the other colors must make their way.
:-)
Please please please add black! I missed R6, and was totally looking forward to R7 to get some black keys!

doom2

14 Sep 2016, 20:19

To answer an earlier question of mine (and for anyone else looking), here is an order that will *mostly* cover an Ergodox. It's missing the 4x 2u modifier keys as none are available in Round 7.

ALGOL/CADET/US/VIOLETT
ALGOL/CURSYM/VIOLETTCREAM
ALGOL/CURBASE/VIOLETTCREAM
ALGOL/MOD100/CREAM
ALGOL/MOD150E/CREAM
ALGOL/SHIFT150/VIOLETTCREAM 2
ALGOL/TAB150/VIOLETTCREAM
ALGOL/APPLE100/CREAM
ALGOL/MODSYM100/VIOLETTCREAM 2
ALGOL/DUCKS150/CREAM

For reference, Ergodox needs 40x 1u keys for the base and 12x 1.5u, 20x 1u, 4x 2u keys for the modifiers.

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mecano

14 Sep 2016, 22:57

Ergodox design is flawed it uses too much over 1U keys… sorry couldn't resist, but still true :mrgreen:

doom2

14 Sep 2016, 22:59

mecano wrote: Ergodox design is flawed it uses too much over 1U keys… sorry couldn't resist, but still true :mrgreen:
I agree, esp when it comes to the modifiers mostly being 1u.

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dsaf

14 Sep 2016, 23:29

Wodan wrote: JEGSHMESH! Just force the UKkies unto the NORDE kit ... Out of the EU but into the NORDE kit!
I would not mind, as long as it's there in some form. It's a once in a three years chance to get a perfect colourful kit.
7bit wrote: Again, there are blue and violett and violett on cream UK kits. Or just let me know which color you want and order at least 15 kits of it.
But are those old keys exactly same font size? Also it limits the colour choice. Could there be some sort of weird-latin-alphabet-country kit at least? I would buy and throw away whatever I don't need (99%).

Also some SHIFT pics are broken: http://www.7bit.info/algol/ALGOL_SINGLE ... YM175/BLUE

ischeinfeld

14 Sep 2016, 23:43

7bit wrote:
ischeinfeld wrote: I know the purpose of the CADET style is primarily to pay homage to history, but a small set of alternate caps (an example below) would greatly enhance its usability.

Image

Is there a plan for a Hyper7 layout and/or front-printed greek characters?
:o
It is not yet in the list, but the legends are ready.
:-)
Awesome!

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eddible

15 Sep 2016, 11:02

7Bit, just FYI, the link to the large PNG of ALGOL/ISO/VIOLETTCREAM is missing. It links to this that doesn't exist (yet): http://www.7bit.info/algol/png/ALGOL_IS ... TCREAM.png
Thanks a lot for adding all the additional ISO returns/kits though!

Quick question, I freely admit that I cannot afford to drop $200 on the sets i want all in one go. Do others pay you a bit each month to spread the cost?

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mecano

15 Sep 2016, 14:03

Starting a petition for a R3 ESC key, please deskers fill the following formular:

[ ] Yes a R3 ESC is needed, let's bribe 7bit into it.
[ ] What's the deal with a R1 ESC which nobody uses and is only decorative, let's bribe 7bit into a R3 instead.
[ ] I wish there'd be a R2 ESC but putting it in the home row with a esc/ctrl combo is way cooler/efficient so let's bribe 7bit into a R3 instead.

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eddible

15 Sep 2016, 14:07

Is R3 escape for a Planck/Preonic?

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Wodan
ISO Advocate

15 Sep 2016, 14:17

eddible wrote: Is R3 escape for a Planck/Preonic?
It better be ... cause if it is for a uniform R3 set, I will lobby against it.

Say "NO" to uniform R3! That's just crossdressed DSA in high heels.

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eddible

15 Sep 2016, 14:23

Wodan wrote: That's just crossdressed DSA in high heels.
Haha! Sculpted or go home!

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priyadi

15 Sep 2016, 16:51

eddible wrote: Is R3 escape for a Planck/Preonic?
If anyone wants an R3 Esc, then it is probably for capslock position. Planck/Preonic need a lot more than that.

The suggested Esc/Ctrl combo looks like an absolute gorgeous idea, though. Time to code that into my firmware.

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mecano

16 Sep 2016, 01:47

Yes at capslock position, it is for one Planck I'm currently reviving (broken mini usb, trying to fit a magsafe connector in the case) and one Atomic clone (poker case and custom top plate) with duplicate layout and top row with software macros.
Wodan wrote:
eddible wrote: Is R3 escape for a Planck/Preonic?
It better be ... cause if it is for a uniform R3 set, I will lobby against it.

Say "NO" to uniform R3! That's just crossdressed DSA in high heels.
:D no crossdressing here!
Using R2-R3-R4 and a mix of R1 reversed / R3 for thumbs on the last row.
The Tipro is really great Wodan ;) typing everyday on it. Still have to either use tmk in my converter and ditch soarer firmware or put an atmega directly in it to reproduce the same behaviour. Not gonna stop using it :)

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mecano

16 Sep 2016, 15:39

Can we have ALGOL/TOYSYM/R3, at least BLUE ? Trying to populate the top estate (four rows) of a Tipro with macro keys will not be handy with R1.

astro

17 Sep 2016, 03:39

I ordered some kits, but the invoice combined them with previous r6 kits in one package. So I can't get my r6 keycaps until r7 kits were produces? :o

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