Realforce SSK (55g)
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
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- seebart
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Another * huge * disappointment y11971alex?!? What's your verdict? I own one of these and love it, but used to diss Topre quite a bit.
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- Location: NC, USA
- Main keyboard: Realforce RF87UB 45g/FC660C
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Weird subbing on the backspace, is that just a beige model thing? Mine is horizontal, yours is lined vertically. Either way, how are you feeling about it? It took me a day or two to get used to it and now I really like them.
- seebart
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It's a "beige thing"...Hking0036 wrote: ↑Weird subbing on the backspace, is that just a beige model thing? Mine is horizontal, yours is lined vertically.
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- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
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After 12 hours, here are my feelings about the Realforce SSK:
- The switch is very smooth, but not quite as smooth as the 5251 next to me; nevertheless, the difference is too minute to notice while typing quickly.
- The tactility is gradual and pleasant, exactly as advertised; compared to my BTC-5100C, the tactility is roughly on the same level but protracted through a longer travel.
- At the bottom of key travel, the feel is mushy.
- 002
- Topre Enthusiast
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You might have the EK edition with the red LEDs. Brian from EK had Topre fix the legends on the 'Enter' key and the 'Backspace' key for that specific model.Hking0036 wrote: ↑Weird subbing on the backspace, is that just a beige model thing? Mine is horizontal, yours is lined vertically. Either way, how are you feeling about it? It took me a day or two to get used to it and now I really like them.
- seebart
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I don't really believe it's possible to compare Topre to Beamspring 1:1. I'd say the tactility is quite a bit more refined on Topre compared to either of my BTC's, where the BTC 5100 FF is actually nicer in tactility to me. I don't find any "mushy" feel at the bottom of key travel, but obviously it's normal for users to experience it differnetly. On long typing sessions I prefer the 45g of my FC660C to the 55g of my RF. If I ever get a full size Topre I'd have to go with 45g for productivity.
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
- Main keyboard: MacBook Air
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- Favorite switch: buckling springs
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You know, someone from the Toronto meet up on the 18th also told me that you can't compare Topre with beam springs. Now that it has been independently corroborated, I won't go down this avenue.seebart wrote: ↑I don't really believe it's possible to compare Topre to Beamspring 1:1. I'd say the tactility is quite a bit more refined on Topre compared to either of my BTC's, where the BTC 5100 FF is actually nicer in tactility to me. I don't find any "mushy" feel at the bottom of key travel, but obviously it's normal for users to experience it differnetly. On long typing sessions I prefer the 45g of my FC660C to the 55g of my RF. If I ever get a full size Topre I'd have to go with 45g for productivity.
I would be hesitant to use the word "refined" to describe tactility, but it does seem a very thoughtfully contrived force curve. Still not as good as beam springs though.
- seebart
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You should not listen too much to what others say...but one is 40 years old and clicky the other is a modern very expensive refined "rubber dome".y11971alex wrote: ↑You know, someone from the Toronto meet up on the 18th also told me that you can't compare Topre with beam springs. Now that it has been independently corroborated, I won't go down this avenue.
I would be hesitant to use the word "refined" to describe tactility, but it does seem a very thoughtfully contrived force curve. Still not as good as beam springs though.
Still not as good as beam springs though.
Agreed.
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- Location: NC, USA
- Main keyboard: Realforce RF87UB 45g/FC660C
- Favorite switch: Topre 45g
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That would be it, I never knew.002 wrote: ↑You might have the EK edition with the red LEDs. Brian from EK had Topre fix the legends on the 'Enter' key and the 'Backspace' key for that specific model.Hking0036 wrote: ↑Weird subbing on the backspace, is that just a beige model thing? Mine is horizontal, yours is lined vertically. Either way, how are you feeling about it? It took me a day or two to get used to it and now I really like them.
- fruitalgorithm
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Matias Ergo Pro
- Main mouse: Kensington Expert Mouse Wireless
- Favorite switch: Topre 45g
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If like black as color, open your wallet http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/germ ... yboard.aspt!ng wrote: ↑This board in ISO-DE flavour and I would throw money at it.
Edit: it's not only black, it's also 45g instead of 55. So not the same board at all.
- romevi
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Realforce 87UB
- Main mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus
- Favorite switch: Can't decide!
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These are probably the best readily available boards--stock--right now, however.
I didn't like my Realforce the first time. Sold it after a month, but during that time without it I kept yearning for it again. I bought another and haven't considered otherwise since. I now compare every board I get to the Realforce, which probably isn't wise.
And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
I didn't like my Realforce the first time. Sold it after a month, but during that time without it I kept yearning for it again. I bought another and haven't considered otherwise since. I now compare every board I get to the Realforce, which probably isn't wise.
And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
- vivalarevolución
- formerly prdlm2009
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Beam spring
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- Favorite switch: beam spring
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Agreed, it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. I prefer to use beamspring at home where annoying others is not an issue. But at work, I go with the Realforce because of noise and it doesn't look like this giant crazy vintage keyboard.seebart wrote: ↑I don't really believe it's possible to compare Topre to Beamspring 1:1. I'd say the tactility is quite a bit more refined on Topre compared to either of my BTC's, where the BTC 5100 FF is actually nicer in tactility to me. I don't find any "mushy" feel at the bottom of key travel, but obviously it's normal for users to experience it differnetly. On long typing sessions I prefer the 45g of my FC660C to the 55g of my RF. If I ever get a full size Topre I'd have to go with 45g for productivity.
- 002
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Most of the development side of our office are using Realforces now and the support guys pop over from time to time and I've heard them say "what's with the vintage keyboards?". But I guess most of them are in their 20's, so they have a different idea of what vintage isvivalarevolución wrote: ↑ Agreed, it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. I prefer to use beamspring at home where annoying others is not an issue. But at work, I go with the Realforce because of noise and it doesn't look like this giant crazy vintage keyboard.
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
- Main keyboard: MacBook Air
- Main mouse: Microsoft Sculpt Comfort
- Favorite switch: buckling springs
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What should I call this keyboard then? The SE08T0 is its model number on the label behind the board.romevi wrote: ↑ And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
- emdude
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I found this weird too. @y11971alex, I think people normally just call this the Realforce 87u.romevi wrote: ↑These are probably the best readily available boards--stock--right now, however.
I didn't like my Realforce the first time. Sold it after a month, but during that time without it I kept yearning for it again. I bought another and haven't considered otherwise since. I now compare every board I get to the Realforce, which probably isn't wise.
And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
- Main keyboard: MacBook Air
- Main mouse: Microsoft Sculpt Comfort
- Favorite switch: buckling springs
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But that is such an unexciting name.emdude wrote: ↑I found this weird too. @y11971alex, I think people normally just call this the Realforce 87u.romevi wrote: ↑These are probably the best readily available boards--stock--right now, however.
I didn't like my Realforce the first time. Sold it after a month, but during that time without it I kept yearning for it again. I bought another and haven't considered otherwise since. I now compare every board I get to the Realforce, which probably isn't wise.
And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
- 002
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- Main keyboard: Realforce & Libertouch
- Main mouse: Logitech G Pro Wireless
- Favorite switch: Topre
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I like how they use the number of keys in the name because it tells you the layout and size:
86 / 87 / 101 / 103 / 104 = US
88 / 105 = EU
89 / 91 / 106 / 108 = JP
86 / 87 / 101 / 103 / 104 = US
88 / 105 = EU
89 / 91 / 106 / 108 = JP
- seebart
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There is only one SSK y11971alex and it's far from any Topre.y11971alex wrote: ↑But that is such an unexciting name.emdude wrote: ↑I found this weird too. @y11971alex, I think people normally just call this the Realforce 87u.romevi wrote: ↑These are probably the best readily available boards--stock--right now, however.
I didn't like my Realforce the first time. Sold it after a month, but during that time without it I kept yearning for it again. I bought another and haven't considered otherwise since. I now compare every board I get to the Realforce, which probably isn't wise.
And stop calling it SSK! Nomenclature considers SSK as IBM boards, normally.
- vivalarevolución
- formerly prdlm2009
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Beam spring
- Main mouse: Kangaroo
- Favorite switch: beam spring
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To be fair, the design of the Realforce is vintage at this point. A reduction of the bezel size without a reduction in quality would be a welcome change, but Realforce is basically the only player in the the market of high end electrostatic capacitive keyboards, so what's the point in an update, really.002 wrote: ↑Most of the development side of our office are using Realforces now and the support guys pop over from time to time and I've heard them say "what's with the vintage keyboards?". But I guess most of them are in their 20's, so they have a different idea of what vintage isvivalarevolución wrote: ↑ Agreed, it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. I prefer to use beamspring at home where annoying others is not an issue. But at work, I go with the Realforce because of noise and it doesn't look like this giant crazy vintage keyboard.
- sth
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but i love that big bezelvivalarevolución wrote: ↑To be fair, the design of the Realforce is vintage at this point. A reduction of the bezel size without a reduction in quality would be a welcome change, but Realforce is basically the only player in the the market of high end electrostatic capacitive keyboards, so what's the point in an update, really.002 wrote: ↑Most of the development side of our office are using Realforces now and the support guys pop over from time to time and I've heard them say "what's with the vintage keyboards?". But I guess most of them are in their 20's, so they have a different idea of what vintage isvivalarevolución wrote: ↑ Agreed, it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. I prefer to use beamspring at home where annoying others is not an issue. But at work, I go with the Realforce because of noise and it doesn't look like this giant crazy vintage keyboard.
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
- Main keyboard: MacBook Air
- Main mouse: Microsoft Sculpt Comfort
- Favorite switch: buckling springs
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For a keyboard dating to the '80s, the bezel isn't that obtrusive.
- 002
- Topre Enthusiast
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While Topre were making keyboards from mid 80s, the case design of the Realforce was likely devised some time in the mid 90s. I've never seen a Topre keyboard with the Realforce case design earlier than 1996, and even the 1996 example is up for debate.
- y11971alex
- Location: Toronto, ON
- Main keyboard: MacBook Air
- Main mouse: Microsoft Sculpt Comfort
- Favorite switch: buckling springs
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After 3 days or so,
- I think the board is very pleasant to type on; it has few extreme characteristics and is a good compromise for people who want a tactile keyboard without the clicky sound. It is a very well-rounded switch.
- It is not the smoothest, most tactile, most solid, or most silent keyboard available, but it may be one that combines the ergonomics of a modern keyboard with a decent level of these characteristics in a reasonable chassis.
- Some of the switches seem to be making a very faint clicky noise at the release of the button.
- Orpheo
- Location: France
- Main keyboard: Realforce 105UB uniform 45g
- Favorite switch: Topre
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If you don't want to learn about all the keyboards stuff and whatnots, just want to buy a new keyboard out there without looking like a gamers goth then yeah, the realforce is a safe bet, and you can spend your time doing other things that researching this crucial matter that keyboards are Hehe!