Great/Interesting Finds

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Chyros

28 Jul 2018, 08:00

Tbh that's assuming they DO come with Scorpius dome with slider.

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Noobmaen

28 Jul 2018, 14:54

Gnohio wrote:
Noobmaen wrote:
Chyros wrote: Rebadged Scorpius 104 for $20: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-PC-Acc ... SwEZdaDUIP

Still the best rubber domes I've felt to date!
10 supposedly NOS scorpius boards for 60€, mini group buy anyone? https://www.ebay.de/itm/10-Stuck-ione-S ... 3353835055
I'd be down for one depending on the price and shipping to the US. I love trackball boards and I'd be curious to see how good those RDs actually are, taking Chyros' word for it ;)
Tracked shipping to US and Canada costs about 20€ using DHL for 2kg package, these boards should weigh a lot less

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Chyros

28 Jul 2018, 16:15

Noobmaen wrote: Tracked shipping to US and Canada costs about 20€ using DHL for 2kg package, these boards should weigh a lot less
My Scorp104 weighs exactly 900 grams, for reference.

If we're going to do a group buy of these, it would probably be useful to get a cap-off picture of the switches though, just to be sure :) .

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tron

28 Jul 2018, 16:33


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Laser
emacs -nw

28 Jul 2018, 16:34

Dyesub PBT keycaps for any *Topre* keyboard, also with Vim keys (KBDFans, Group Buy):

https://kbdfans.cn/products/gbelectrost ... ub-keycaps

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Keybug

28 Jul 2018, 22:03

Just missed this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.

Possible blue ALPS? It also has weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...

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mike52787
Alps Aficionado

28 Jul 2018, 22:04

Keybug wrote: Just missed this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.

Possible blue ALPS? It also has weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...
Those should be white alps or clones

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Keybug

28 Jul 2018, 22:22

Thanks. Can you explain why blues can be ruled out? Year of production?

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Chyros

28 Jul 2018, 23:00

Keybug wrote: Just missed this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.

Possible blue ALPS? It also has weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...
Those keycaps look like they're exactly the same as the ones on basically all Focus keyboards. Same layout, even. Focuses also used coloured modifiers, too.

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//gainsborough
ALPSの日常

28 Jul 2018, 23:27

Keybug wrote: Thanks. Can you explain why blues can be ruled out? Year of production?
This is likely clones - there is another PC just like this that has a different brand that came with clones.

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Polecat

28 Jul 2018, 23:50

Chyros wrote:
Those keycaps look like they're exactly the same as the ones on basically all Focus keyboards. Same layout, even. Focuses also used coloured modifiers, too.
Lots of keyboards used the colored modifiers back in the day. They corresponded to the menu layers in applications such as Word Perfect and Lotus 123. That was before Windows and mouse-based menus, so everything ran on keyboard commands.

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Keybug

29 Jul 2018, 12:07

Interesting! I can only recall pre-Windows MS-Word with its escape-driven menu on my amber monochrome screen. But it does make sense that there should have been colour-coding on CGA / EGA / etc. systems. I hadn't realized the connection between software and the modifier colours, though.

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Elrick

30 Jul 2018, 02:27

Chyros wrote: Tbh that's assuming they DO come with Scorpius dome with slider.
Think I've found a keyboard here with that word;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QTRONIX-SCO ... Desc=1%7C1

Not saying it is what you are referring to but I thought it has a nice key layout similar to the Cherry 1800 series.

Also spotted this as well;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-MEC ... Desc=1%7C1

And this Nan Tan, if anyone wants to harvest some White Alps for their custom Keyboards;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nan-Tan-KB- ... Desc=1%7C1

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Polecat

30 Jul 2018, 04:32

Keybug wrote: Interesting! I can only recall pre-Windows MS-Word with its escape-driven menu on my amber monochrome screen. But it does make sense that there should have been colour-coding on CGA / EGA / etc. systems. I hadn't realized the connection between software and the modifier colours, though.
In CP/M and early DOS days Wordstar was the word processor of choice, and most commands were based on the Control key, which lived to the left of "A". For instance word-left, character-left, character right, and word-right used Ctrl-A, Ctrl-S, Ctrl-D, and Ctrl-F, respectively, which most folks could easily do with their left hand. (Those commands still work on many Linux WPs like StarOffice...and they started with Wordstar!) But after a couple bad version upgrades Wordstar lost most of their market to WordPerfect, which used Ctrl (red), Alt (blue), and Shift (green), followed by one or more keystrokes, to execute commands, and keyboard makers used the colored modifiers along with overlays to make it easier to follow the menus. Sometimes stickers with colored dots were put on the keycaps for the same reason, and I'm sure more than a few of us have had the joy of trying to remove those. When extended-layout keyboards came out most had the Ctrl key at the bottom left, and CapsLock next to A, which alienated diehard Wordstar users like myself, and created a niche market for switchable aftermarket keyboards (with the extra keycaps to match) like Focus and Northgate. MS Word didn't really become popular until Windows 3.0/3.1 came out, which of course was mouse-based. The progression with spreadsheet and database programs was similar, again using the colored modifiers and overlays for a while before Windows and mouse-based menus became the norm. I'm showing my age here, but of course if I was *really* old I wouldn't remember any of this at all.

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TheInverseKey

30 Jul 2018, 05:25

Elrick wrote:
Chyros wrote: Tbh that's assuming they DO come with Scorpius dome with slider.
Think I've found a keyboard here with that word;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QTRONIX-SCO ... Desc=1%7C1

Not saying it is what you are referring to but I thought it has a nice key layout similar to the Cherry 1800 series.

Also spotted this as well;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-MEC ... Desc=1%7C1

And this Nan Tan, if anyone wants to harvest some White Alps for their custom Keyboards;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nan-Tan-KB- ... Desc=1%7C1

The Scorpius 305 come with the following switches:
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Muirium
µ

30 Jul 2018, 19:09

Laser wrote: Dyesub PBT keycaps for any *Topre* keyboard, also with Vim keys (KBDFans, Group Buy):

https://kbdfans.cn/products/gbelectrost ... ub-keycaps
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Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.

I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?

xxhellfirexx

30 Jul 2018, 19:11

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NOS FANUC System P Model G keyboard with Omron B2R-M reed switches
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223080876046


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Mohawk Data Sciences keyboard
https://picclick.com/OOAK-Vintage-Early ... 86063.html

Slom

30 Jul 2018, 22:33

xxhellfirexx wrote: Image

Mohawk Data Sciences keyboard
https://picclick.com/OOAK-Vintage-Early ... 86063.html
Was about to post this :)

Might be Micro Switch magnetic reed:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triplehaa ... 400411814/

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Laser
emacs -nw

31 Jul 2018, 00:16

Muirium wrote: Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.

I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?
Hi Mu :)

You're right from what I read (base and HHKB kits should be exactly enough) Actually, it seems for the RF87U you'd also need the MOD PRO KIT in addition to the BASE (although I have no idea why - I don't own such a kbd), and only the HHKB kit for the HHKB keyboard - but of course you'd also want the Vim keys, and the spacebars kit, riiight? 8-) ... They do have pictures, but not sync'ed with the kit selection (just scroll down in the description).

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zrrion

31 Jul 2018, 05:34

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Red-la ... 3380667341

Red badge zenith board. Badge looks cool and I haven't seen red before but the board looks to be in super rough shape so hopefully someone can talk the seller down in price and get it a good home.

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Gnohio

31 Jul 2018, 05:42

zrrion wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Red-la ... 3380667341

Red badge zenith board. Badge looks cool and I haven't seen red before but the board looks to be in super rough shape so hopefully someone can talk the seller down in price and get it a good home.
Sadly the only thing it would be good for is a cap and badge donor based on the look of those switches.

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//gainsborough
ALPSの日常

31 Jul 2018, 06:19

zrrion wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Red-la ... 3380667341

Red badge zenith board. Badge looks cool and I haven't seen red before but the board looks to be in super rough shape so hopefully someone can talk the seller down in price and get it a good home.
It looks like the type of red logo z-150s that I had: f-o-r-s-a-l-e-f58/2x-zenith-inteq-red-l ... 17581.html

The problem with those boards is that you can't desolder the switches - they are literally "glued" in place with whatever that rust-resistant spray they put on the top after the switches were already installed. It still boggles my mind how anyone thought this was a good idea... Spray the plate BEFORE you solder in the switches.... like... c'mon...

xxhellfirexx

31 Jul 2018, 06:32

//gainsborough wrote:
zrrion wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Red-la ... 3380667341

Red badge zenith board. Badge looks cool and I haven't seen red before but the board looks to be in super rough shape so hopefully someone can talk the seller down in price and get it a good home.
It looks like the type of red logo z-150s that I had: f-o-r-s-a-l-e-f58/2x-zenith-inteq-red-l ... 17581.html

The problem with those boards is that you can't desolder the switches - they are literally "glued" in place with whatever that rust-resistant spray they put on the top after the switches were already installed. It still boggles my mind how anyone thought this was a good idea... Spray the plate BEFORE you solder in the switches.... like... c'mon...
It's going to be a pain to replace the broken switch and the fact that it has rust even with the rust-resistant spray shows that it wasn't kept too well. Remember this was the guy selling a bunch of rusted blue Alps keyboards for high prices so it might have been stored in the same warehouse.

As for why the switches are glued with spray paint, remember these are TEMPEST keyboards meant to prevent tampering by spies.

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j0d1

31 Jul 2018, 16:26

Very tempting: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5251-Works ... 3176163727

Complete IBM 5251 computer. Will probably sell for 2k$+ though.

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Myoth

31 Jul 2018, 16:39

j0d1 wrote: Very tempting: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5251-Works ... 3176163727

Complete IBM 5251 computer. Will probably sell for 2k$+ though.
but it's not a computer :mrgreen:

TheMilkmen

31 Jul 2018, 18:51

some SKFL switches and an interesting looking board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-JX-Keyboar ... Desc=0%7C0

xxhellfirexx

31 Jul 2018, 19:24

TheMilkmen wrote: some SKFL switches and an interesting looking board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-JX-Keyboar ... Desc=0%7C0

Looks like that is Damonskv's account.
for-sale-f55/ibm-jx-t19312.html?hilit=ibm%20jx

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Muirium
µ

31 Jul 2018, 20:01

Laser wrote:
Muirium wrote: Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.

I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?
Hi Mu :)

You're right from what I read (base and HHKB kits should be exactly enough) Actually, it seems for the RF87U you'd also need the MOD PRO KIT in addition to the BASE (although I have no idea why - I don't own such a kbd), and only the HHKB kit for the HHKB keyboard - but of course you'd also want the Vim keys, and the spacebars kit, riiight? 8-) ... They do have pictures, but not sync'ed with the kit selection (just scroll down in the description).
Thanks for the tip. What I still don’t understand is what’s in the BASE vs. the HHKB kit…
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Did they just miss out the header text? Or is all that HHKB stuff also in the BASE kit? I expect I’d need to buy both, but why is the HHKB set $49 when the whole BASE is just $69? I don’t need two whole sets of alphas (I’ll explain in a bit), but I do need those mods.

Who do I ask? Their comments system is all fucked up, by the look of it, with users posting on the wrong GBs. Anyway, don’t think I need the PRO MODs because the BASE has my TKL Realforce covered perfectly. I see that little RF87U text on PRO MODs but the only key I can think of that’s funny about the TKL vs full-size is the Num Lock, which isn’t even in that kit! Anyway, I’ve no plans to get a Leopold FC660c.

Now, about those alphas. Something I find compelling is the mono legend Japanese set, JP-2:
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That’s the one for me!

orihalcon

01 Aug 2018, 00:21

Had not seen one of these before:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153121347089
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Laser
emacs -nw

01 Aug 2018, 01:25

Muirium wrote: Thanks for the tip. What I still don’t understand is what’s in the BASE vs. the HHKB kit…
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Did they just miss out the header text? Or is all that HHKB stuff also in the BASE kit? I expect I’d need to buy both, but why is the HHKB set $49 when the whole BASE is just $69? I don’t need two whole sets of alphas (I’ll explain in a bit), but I do need those mods.
From what I understood, the HHKB kit is for those who want to cover *just* a HHKB keyboard, and don't need any other key. At that price, it has to include the alphanumeric keys, it won't make sense otherwise (49$ vs. the 16$ for the HHKB JP keys). And the BASE being "just" 69$, well, it could be because they made more of those kits, so it came cheaper per unit? I agree maybe we should hunt for the groupbuy details somewhere else, if there is such a place. Or, send an email to kbdfans directly? Actually, they have a chat system, connected to FB messenger - that could be used alright.

EDIT: after a little chat, the page was updated:

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The JP alphanumerics are pretty nice, but my heart is sold to Hangul :P (I did some Taekwondo a long time ago, so having Korean keys would be a nice memory). So I'm pretty happy that I managed to recently buy from US a FC660M with doubleshot PBT in the blue-grey combo, with English and Hangul lettering :) Of course I'll be happier when I'll actually have the keyboard in my hands.
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Seller's pic, just for kicks (and punches): Image

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