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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 00:08

Halvar wrote: This is what I got from the seller:
Hallo ***,

aus plast ist sie ich sende ihnen mal die rückseite sprich den aufkleber aber fagen sie mich bitte nicht nach technischen daten wie ich bei ebay sagte wollt ich sie mal alle säubern und weiter veräußern aber keine zeit da es aufwändig ist

- ninde59

Von: ***
An: ninde59
Betreff: Details zum Artikel: *** hat eine Nachricht gesendet zu Fünf gebrauchte alte ibm tastaturen #161399159779
Sendedatum: 20.08.14 16:14:00 MESZ

Hallo ninde59,

ist das 122-Tasten-Modell links im Bild (das Schlachtschiff mit den 24 F-Tasten über dem Tastenfeld) ein Model F, oder ist das ein Model M? Oder andes gefragt, ist die Rückseite aus Metall oder aus Kunststoff?

Viele Grüße,

- ***
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And here's my 122 key M:

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Halvar

23 Aug 2014, 00:59

Yours is the newer case with the oval IBM logo in the upper left corner though, right?

These are potato pics of my two Model M-122 that show the different cases and the innards of the old case:
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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 01:10

Yeah. Not identical, but bog standard Model M.

http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/ibm-m ... ml#p124262

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Halvar

23 Aug 2014, 01:26

So Seebart, did you buy it? The offer seems to be gone.

andrewjoy

23 Aug 2014, 01:56

the blue caps are nice but i am not a fan of m's model f is my favourite

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 10:26

No I did not buy them, the auction ended without a buyer, so I offered 125 and he accepted and is awaiting my response. That's all.

But the way it's looking now we don't have five people for a group buy, and like I and others have noted these IBM's are not equal in value.

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Halvar

23 Aug 2014, 11:55

So to summarize, we have

1x IBM Model F XT, needs Soarer's converter
2x IBM Model F 3104 "blue switch", needs xwhatsit's F controller
1x IBM Model F 5291 "bigfoot", needs Soarer's controller
1x IBM Model M 1389278, needs Soarer's converter

Looks to me like the seller is out of luck here. For me, I'm not interested.

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 12:20

The buyer is not "out of luck" simply because you are not intetested dear halvar! The price is still ok compared to your € 150+ beamsprings which also all need a converter! The fact that they could all be defect is important. The seller was unable to sell them for € 220,00 that is true and as I expected.

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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 12:44

My one of the beamsprings was a lot less than 150 Euros, fortunately, or I could never have afforded it!

The problem with these blue switch Model Fs is that there's expensive strings attached. Namely Xwhatsit's controller; a costly piece of kit, because of components. It makes a ton of sense for beamsprings and Kishsavers, but it's a 1:1 solution. A cheapskate like me can get by with just one Teensy running a stack of keyboards with a boxed Soarer's Converter. No such luck with internal controllers, though.

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 12:49

Right you are, I'm curious to see if he can sell them in his second auction. I'll try to talk him down further if he doesn't sell.

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Halvar

23 Aug 2014, 13:10

seebart wrote: The buyer is not "out of luck" simply because you are not intetested dear halvar!
The seller seems to be out of luck to me because I haven't seen a single commitment so far in this thread (except for the XT I think), even with the much better price that you were thankfully able to negotiate. I may be wrong, you might have some people interested that I don't know about.

It's a bit sad even, because these are interesting keyboards that you don't see for sale every day here in Europe.

It would be great if these find buyers.

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 13:17

I agree with you, but it's like MU and you said, they require controllers that cost extra. I did get three PM's but two aren't sure and I can't blame them. I'd buy the lot myself for 85. But that's wishful thinking!
Also the fact that all five could be defective is not encouraging. That's why I like to buy here at DT. It may be more expensive but I know what I'm getting.

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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 13:55

Honest question: has anyone ever seen a Model F that doesn't work? They pretty bloody tough. The one I'd be worried about is the Model M. Especially as those can get real beat up when shipped alongside F's and other heavy metal.

This is what happened to my Model M2 even when correctly surrounded in its own bubblewrap:
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The prime suspect:
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And the lucky survivor:
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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 14:27

WOW you were lucky in that case! I like the description "heavy metal" for an F :D

andrewjoy

23 Aug 2014, 14:35

Keyboard natural selection at work :P

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Nuum

23 Aug 2014, 15:38

Halvar wrote: [...]Image
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Why are there black markings on some keys? I've seen that on several keyboards now.

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Halvar

23 Aug 2014, 16:07

I have no idea -- I got it like that and didn't start to clean it yet.

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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 16:29

Probably marker pen. I presume there was some need to remember to use those keys for whatever data entry type task it was used for, and either an instructor or the hapless office monkey highlighted them!

There's something similar at work, but using stickers, on my AT:

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Maybe so the printed instructions for the worker could say to hit red, green and blue instead of the names of the actual mods? Once I get that keyboard from my brother, those stickers are coming off, of course. Better not be nasty residues…

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Nuum

23 Aug 2014, 16:34

Yeah, maybe that's it. BTW, if you need a Sys Req key (the top right one): I have one spare from my totally broken AT (So yeah, Model Fs can break), so hit me up if you want it.

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 16:38

totally broken AT... sounds like heavy metal destruction :D

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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 16:38

Sounds great to me, thanks!

How did yours break? My hunch is that the controller can fail (capacitors and such) and the individual springs as always, but that the body would need to be attacked by a weighty truck.

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Nuum

23 Aug 2014, 16:45

Ok, that was a bit exaggerated by me, it is not totally broken.
Yeah, on one of my ATs (not the cleaned one from my other thread) it is indeed the controller that is broken. Somehow it is really bend, I don't know how that is possible inside the case. The rest is fine, although quite rusty. There is a really big spot of rust in the middle of the bottom plate.

@Muirium, please PM me your address then and I will get it from the keycap bag of this AT, clean it up and send it to you next week.
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Muirium
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23 Aug 2014, 16:46

Perhaps the controller warped while the thing was wet? (Potentially for a really long time…) Storage can be worse than a fight.

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Hypersphere

23 Aug 2014, 18:03

I've found that AT boards tend to be less robust than XTs. Sometimes I have seen an XT with a bad spring or a keycap that needed reseating, but overall they have been in good working order. In contrast, I have seen ATs in which it appears that the plates have shifted relative to the case, jamming some of the keys. Even so, the ATs can be repaired, but with more effort than required for XTs.

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Nuum

23 Aug 2014, 18:20

The shifted plate is, at least in my ATs, due to the fact, that there are no proper mounting holes but rather mounting slots on both sides. This way you have to place it really carefully in the middle of the case before screwing it tight as it will not center itself. You can see the slots here:
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Only the top two slots are used to mount the plates in the case.

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 19:35

Choc Mini Cherry Mx-Black QWERTY

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mechanische-Tast ... 3ce6817849

Cherry G80-3000LSMDE / 00 MX-Blue Tastatur PS/2 QWERTZ

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cherry-G80-3000L ... 2c8982e604

Cherry G80-3000LQCDE-2 / 01 MX-Clear QWERTZ

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Cherry G80-3000 LPCDE case + MX caps

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Originale-Cherry ... 4185b14020

ZOWIE Celeritas Pro MX-Brown QWERTZ

http://www.ebay.de/itm/ZOWIE-Celeritas- ... 43ce189a9f

Custom Ducky DK9000G2 Mechanical Keyboard Blue Cherry MX w/ PBT Stealth Keycaps

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KBC Poker 2 61keys Mechanical Keyboard Cherry MX RED Switches W/PBT caps

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RougeRambo

23 Aug 2014, 22:07

can i just throw this in again
I posted it ages ago. looks like he foudn more.

>92 sold
fuck this guy made a mint

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-IBM-Track ... 233afd8881

shame im not in the US of A

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seebart
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23 Aug 2014, 22:19

well RougeRambo, I may be all over this place, BUT this is YOUR thread man! That´s all I can say. :mrgreen: Relax. 8-)
shame im not in the US of A
I´m not. But I used to be and the keyboards ain´t better (or cheaper) there either! :lol:

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macmakkara

24 Aug 2014, 11:16

RougeRambo wrote: can i just throw this in again
I posted it ages ago. looks like he foudn more.

>92 sold
fuck this guy made a mint

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-IBM-Track ... 233afd8881

shame im not in the US of A
Btw he will auto accept 50$ price

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acolombo

24 Aug 2014, 15:37

http://www.subito.it/videogiochi/amstra ... 985243.htm

It looks interesting, do you know anything about the keyboard?

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