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Would this work with an F122?

Redmaus wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2020, 09:38

Would this work with an F122?

Yes all models of Fs and Beamsprings..

Hi I have 2 extra of the PCB anyone wants to buy. I was thinking around $5 + shipping. Send message if interested. They came with specifically the beamspring edge connector part which I will include/not break off.

DMA wrote: ↑

10 Jul 2020, 20:37

BTW, I would recommend a DAC with some faster bus. If you can reprogram it between scans, you can have per-column thresholds - which is not as good as per-cell, but close enough for practical purposes.

yeah i wanted one originally but that would have driven the price up a bit, im still on the lookout for a cheaper spi bus dac!

kmnov2017 wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2020, 09:39

Redmaus wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2020, 09:38

Would this work with an F122?

Yes all models of Fs and Beamsprings..

Just a note on that. Yes, the hardware is compatible with F122. For the QMK software I need a picture of the front and back of the sensing PCB. (Or if the picture is too much to ask for then I can settle for someone with an original xwhatsit drawing the layout on http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/ , and writing "k_row_column" into the drawn key, where row and column are the matrix positions. You will have to send me the produced json. You can determine the matrix position of each key, by correlating what your key does, to where that action is in the xwhatsit matrix)

Based on that info I can write the F122 keyboard support for QMK.

Also note, that nobody has yet ported the original xwhatsit firmware to the through hole controller. At the moment the through hole controller is QMK-only.

EDIT: got a picture of the top of the F122 from kmnov2017. May be enough if I can guess the column shadows right. I'll give a try implementing it tomorrow.

Andrei

kmnov2017 wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2020, 19:17

BOM List

Sl Designator Package Quantity Designation
1 U6,U1 DIP-14_W7.62mm 2 LM339
2 RN2,RN4 R_Array_SIP5 2 10K
3 C3,C4,C5,C7,C8,C9,C10 C_Disc_D3.0mm_W1.6mm_P2.50mm 7 0U1
4 R3,R4 R_Axial_DIN0204 2 20K
5 R5,R1,R6 R_Axial_DIN0204 3 4K7
6 U2 DIP-8_W7.62mm 1 MCP4921-EP
7 U8,U5,U3 DIP-16_W7.62mm 3 74HCT595
8 C2 C_Disc_D3.0mm_W1.6mm_P2.50mm 1 10U
9 R2,R7 R_Axial_DIN0204 2 1K
10 RN1,RN3 R_Array_SIP5 2 100K
11 U7 ProMicro 1 ProMicro

NOTE: Line 8 is NOT REQUIRED

I can't seem to figure out how to order these parts on digi-key. I have never ordered electrical parts online before. What exactly am I searching for? If I put in the designation in digi-key it gives me hundreds of thousands of results.

Just noticed that "$10" part is a lie. ProMicro alone is $12, and if you're buying things for a single controller the rest is likely $5+. Plus PCB.

DMA wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2020, 22:56

Just noticed that "$10" part is a lie. ProMicro alone is $12, and if you're buying things for a single controller the rest is likely $5+. Plus PCB.

Well not if you buy from china https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pro-Micro- ... SwVL1V~1dn

DMA wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2020, 22:56

Just noticed that "$10" part is a lie. ProMicro alone is $12, and if you're buying things for a single controller the rest is likely $5+. Plus PCB.

Bollocks ! The pro micro costs 2.5 to 3.5 euros (less if you apply the AliExpress coupons)

Here's a link...

#Aliexpress € 2,60 10%OFF | New Pro Micro ATmega32U4 5V/16MHz Module with 2 row pin header For Leonardo 1PCS
https://a.aliexpress.com/_BP4E5p

The rest of the parts cost me 5 euros locally, unless you want to source these also from JLCPCB, then even less.

The PCB costs exactly 6 euros for 5 pcbs plus 6 euros shipping (to germany) when ordered from JLCPCB.

The philosophy for this project was simple, it had to cost around 10 bucks or there wasnt going to be one.

There is already work underway to get an even cheaper controller.

Redmaus wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2020, 22:37

I can't seem to figure out how to order these parts on digi-key. I have never ordered electrical parts online before. What exactly am I searching for? If I put in the designation in digi-key it gives me hundreds of thousands of results.

Yes I agree its always quite painful to order them, since there are so many options and each comes with a different ID etc..

If it helps I can attach here a bom I made with LSCS/Jlcpcb.

But you will have to decide if you want the smd resistors that will fit nicely but are a bit more difficult to solder or the axial resistors which are quite bulky.. No need to order both.. Anyway check it, also I think there might be a couple of things missing like the connector and the male pin headers etc..
Kr,
Tent.

Small QMK update:

I added F122 support based on the top layer picture from kmnov2017.
There's a good chance it won't work out of the box, so if anyone has an f122 (with any type of xwhatsit controller), and
you'd like to test QMK, let me know.

Also I created through_hole variants of all the currently supported keyboards.

Andrei

pandrew wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2020, 21:23

Small QMK update:

I added F122 support based on the top layer picture from kmnov2017.
There's a good chance it won't work out of the box, so if anyone has an f122 (with any type of xwhatsit controller), and
you'd like to test QMK, let me know.

Also I created through_hole variants of all the currently supported keyboards.

Andrei

Thank you again!
Had a go at this with my F122, and it works - sort of
I will be happy if someone will help me troubleshoot.

tentator wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2020, 00:21

Yes I agree its always quite painful to order them, since there are so many options and each comes with a different ID etc..

If it helps I can attach here a bom I made with LSCS/Jlcpcb.

But you will have to decide if you want the smd resistors that will fit nicely but are a bit more difficult to solder or the axial resistors which are quite bulky.. No need to order both.. Anyway check it, also I think there might be a couple of things missing like the connector and the male pin headers etc..


Kr,
Tent.

Thank you for posting this list. Shame on me to not cross check every component - while it did provide with complete list of what's needed, the DAC was in the worng format. While I wait for the DIP8 replcement I soldered it up with legs to get it working; Hopefully this will not cause any problems in the meantime.
Now for the troubleshooting, here is my F122 PCB top and bottom; What happens when I plug the keyboard to the computer it's doing some random key-presses, and not giving anything reliable readout from the util. Guess the auto calibration portion on F122 firmware is not working as it should. However if I hold down a bunch of random keys when plugging the keyboard in it works reliable - just that the keys pressed are not in the correct places in the software and not all keys shows up as registered. Ie pressing "2" shows "1", pressing "D" shows "S" and pressing "K" shows "M" and so on.
I have no idea if this is firmware related - but I did hook it up as per the Model F plug-board. I did triple check this. I can draw up a diagram of how it is hooked up to the controller if needed.
Here is the key press util after I have pressed all the keys on the board;

All sorted! I had made a stupid mistake hooking it up and there was some tweaking needed in the threshold. Thank you Andrei!!
And a big thanks to everyone working on this project.
F122 is now tested working with this controller Will report back when I have been using it for a couple of days.

My fingers are happy typing again

Glad to see so many people reporting their success on these controllers....

Thanks kmnov2017. Accomplishments like this make this website shine. On my f and m and beamsprings I've just been able to remove and clean keycaps, I hope that soon I'll be able to use this controller.

Cool Twst! I really like how you solved adapting the DAC size from one to the other format! Genius! so happy it works!

tentator wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2020, 22:36

Cool Twst! I really like how you solved adapting the DAC size from one to the other format! Genius! so happy it works!

Thanks!
I have learned to go with what you have on hand, and it seems to work perfectly


In other news, there is this thing.. It's a machine gun.

Twst wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2020, 15:37

Hopefully this will not cause any problems in the meantime.

Spoiler:

th complete.jpg
th f122 mounted.jpg
th f122 mounted top.jpg

Wow, really good wiring with the striped cables. Also smart workaround for the DAC form factor.

Twst wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2020, 19:23

In other news, there is this thing..

It's a machine gun.

Wow, super cool. I haven't ever been able to use a solenoid(didn't have the drivers) and I recently failed making my own. This makes me want to try again at higher quantities!

With kmnov's help I ordered the components and PCB's a couple weeks ago. The components have been sitting in my room for almost a week while the PCB's are shipped. The following is a build log for two of the controllers minus the pro micro.
A few things to note:

• Make sure all your components are standard size, I got some 1k resistors that were too large.

• Be sure to insert IC's correctly. It's pretty easy to get it right when you first try to place it but when you are in the middle of bending pins to make it work you can forget the orientation.

• The dot on the resistor array needs to align to the square pads on the PCB or else the controller will not work.

Here is the build log with tons of pictures: That's it until I get my pro micros. Looking forward to converting some of the many model F's I have on my shelves!

@kmnov2017
Why vertical resistors? 3x vertical clearance, but what's the benefit?

looks cool

good stuff ... a shame i sold my model f ....

Hi. I've laid out a version of this for model f at, if anyone is interested. Tested and working fine.


Kicad files and gerbers can be found here:

https://github.com/frogmaster/TH-XWhatsIt-F

Minor change from my tested version is that all resistors are mounted flat, mine had couple vertical ones.

Great neat job.

Need to get one finally .... I have a F122 that needs a controller

Sorry for the completely newbie question...
I'm trying to order all the components on the BOM. However for this one:
U8,U5,U3 DIP-16_W7.62mm 3 74HCT595

The only one I can find on digikey with the correct 7.62mm width is marked obsolete; the rest only has 3 or 4mm width.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/det ... UArHXVMxQA
Is that actually the case or am I searching for it wrong?

EDIT: just saw Tent's updated LCSC BOM list; never mind

Lookup SN74HC595

Does anyone have a good source for the ribbon cable between Controller and Sensing PCB?

Thanks kmnov.
Got a digikey cart in case anyone needs it.
https://www.digikey.com/short/znzprb

Hello all,

Please be aware that I have pushed changes to rename the "through_hole" firmware to "universal".
This through hole controller is now supported by the QMK firmware variant called "universal"
If you upgrade your firmware you will also need to re-download or re-compile the host-side "util", for it to recognize the new name.
Also, the debounce algorithm has been changed to per-key for all keyboards.

I also added some support for lock lights. Please PM me for details if interested.

To all model F users:
I have doubled the threshold offset, and I bumped the number of calibration bins from 3 to 5.
I know there were a few keyboards out there that were already running with these changes made locally, but these are now the new defaults.

All model F users, please test whether the new version works reliably, and let me know in a PM.

Andrei

Hey guys!

I added a file called BOM.md to the github repository for Bill Of Materials. It concentrates on the latest revision of the TH, but it also has a section about older revisions. None of the components changed in the latest revision, but some components are not necessary anymore.

I added links only for the distributor called "TME", which is available, and ships fast in the EU.

To anyone who has assembled a TH, could you contribute to the Sources section of this file with your own distributors? It's okay if you don't have links to all the components.