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Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 07:49
by 701c
Hello.

I am restoring an IBM 5251 keyboard. I have already restored the switches, but I still need to restore the plate and replace the foam and the insulation mat. I did not get as lucky as some other people, and my switchplate has come corrosion on it. Here are a couple of pictures. https://imgur.com/a/oij6xkD.

What should I do to take care of the corrosion? Would It be a bad idea to just leave the plate as it is?
Also, is there a specific type of 2mm foam that would be best to use?

Thanks!

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 10:03
by PlacaFromHell
Well, is not something too bad. If you want a clean and more serious finish you should paint the plate. Otherwise, if you don't want to expend money or you preffer the original zinc plating just leave it like that, but don't try to remove the rust, it will rust even more. Personally, in that state I would paint it, you ensure to avoid even more corrosion. A good bath of vinegar will work to remove the rust before applying paint.
For the foam, I had success with 2mm EVA. As far as I know, nobody found a good replacement for the insulation mat, you can just leave it like that.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 15:21
by SneakyRobb
That plate is in great shape and I would actually say YOU are lucky for

1 getting such a good plate. Seriously it is fine. That plate is in great shape.
and
2 - Getting a beamspring!!!!!!!

Seriously now.

Nothing really bad will happen if you leave it as is. The rust in the plates generally forms a surface coating and basically just sits there. But the plate is so thick that the layer is really thin.

It could flake off and get into the board somehow but it's not that big of a concern. Still possible so I would "restore it."

What I do for beamspring/model f plates is use rust removing solution from the hardware store and scrape them clean after soaking. Then I coat them in some kind of rust paint or other metal paint.

You only need a light coating.

For the foam you basically just need the foam from the "Michaels" craft store. They have many shops in many States and Canadian Provinces.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 15:52
by orihalcon
You got lucky! At least yours wasn't like this one I got a while back:
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On yours, You could just put a light coat of rust preventing oil (like something lanolin based, though beware, your beamspring may then smell like a sheep) and wipe off the excess.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 16:14
by Fkazim
Orihalcon Is that the Displaywriter that you are selling the caps for on your eBay store?

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 16:17
by 701c
orihalcon wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 15:52
You got lucky! At least yours wasn't like this one I got a while back:
Yea, I have seen quite a few beamsprings that were much worse than mine. Do you know what conditions that one was stored in?
Mine was kept in an un-air conditioned house next to the beach in Florida, so considering that, I got pretty lucky.
Also, It came with the 5251 terminal. I found a bunch of documents in a compartment in the back of the terminal. There are a couple of cool illustrations in it. Image
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Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 05 Aug 2019, 18:26
by PlacaFromHell
orihalcon wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 15:52
You got lucky! At least yours wasn't like this one I got a while back:

_DSC5719 copy.JPG

On yours, You could just put a light coat of rust preventing oil (like something lanolin based, though beware, your beamspring may then smell like a sheep) and wipe off the excess.
How rare is find something like this? Looks like I was really, really lucky:
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Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 06 Aug 2019, 14:33
by spongebob1981
PlacaFromHell wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 18:26
orihalcon wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 15:52
You got lucky! At least yours wasn't like this one I got a while back:

_DSC5719 copy.JPG

On yours, You could just put a light coat of rust preventing oil (like something lanolin based, though beware, your beamspring may then smell like a sheep) and wipe off the excess.
How rare is find something like this? Looks like I was really, really lucky:
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I had the money and was coming to terms to buy it for weeks. And you got it the day I decided to buy it. You are SO lucky :lol:

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 06 Aug 2019, 16:02
by andrewjoy
Any chance we can get high res scans of the manual.

Mainly just the keyboard section, but if you want to do the whole thing i am sure there are computer history websites/groups that would kill for the documentation.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 06 Aug 2019, 17:53
by User101
andrewjoy wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 16:02
Any chance we can get high res scans of the manual.

Mainly just the keyboard section, but if you want to do the whole thing i am sure there are computer history websites/groups that would kill for the documentation.
I think bitsavers already have that. Not 100% sure tho

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 06 Aug 2019, 21:55
by PlacaFromHell
spongebob1981 wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 14:33
I had the money and was coming to terms to buy it for weeks. And you got it the day I decided to buy it. You are SO lucky :lol:
At the end the life takes revenge on my luck, like the silver squared model M at 1000 ARS that I lost the last week. :cry:

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 07 Aug 2019, 01:20
by orihalcon
Fkazim wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 16:14
Orihalcon Is that the Displaywriter that you are selling the caps for on your eBay store?
Nope, the keycaps on that one actually didn't have any yellowing iirc. Got that one a long time ago and keep the picture to remind myself that it could *usually* always be worse when I find a board in bad shape :D

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 07 Aug 2019, 04:28
by Fkazim
Ok thanks for letting me know.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 08 Aug 2019, 15:33
by spongebob1981
PlacaFromHell wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 21:55
spongebob1981 wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 14:33
I had the money and was coming to terms to buy it for weeks. And you got it the day I decided to buy it. You are SO lucky :lol:
At the end the life takes revenge on my luck, like the silver squared model M at 1000 ARS that I lost the last week. :cry:
I'd say you still got a great deal. M's keep popping up and not a single beamer appeared since ;)

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 09 Aug 2019, 03:53
by 701c
I am probably going to get it chrome plated. Does anyone know of any good shops to get this done?

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 09 Aug 2019, 16:41
by snacksthecat
701c wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 03:53
I am probably going to get it chrome plated. Does anyone know of any good shops to get this done?
You might consider looking instead to get it zinc plated. I got mine nickel plated and I think it messed with the grounding. I haven't had an opportunity to validate this yet but I have a strong suspicion. Most of the electrical talk on here is over my head so I'm just guessing but perhaps someone else has insight.

Edit: I'd also recommend just doing a google search for metal plating shops near you. Go into one and see if they do the service you're looking for. If they don't, they should be able to refer you to a shop that does.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 04:45
by 701c
I found a couple of places that will strip off the zinc, and then re-plate it for around $140.
Has anyone had any experience in getting their beamspring plates re-plated in zinc?

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 13:57
by adamcobabe
701c wrote:
17 Aug 2019, 04:45
I found a couple of places that will strip off the zinc, and then re-plate it for around $140.
Has anyone had any experience in getting their beamspring plates re-plated in zinc?
No, but I'm also looking for a shop that will do that here in London. Will let you know if I figure it out.

Re: Beamspring Switchplate Restore.

Posted: 20 Aug 2019, 21:57
by 701c
The bottom plate is made out of the same material as the top plate, right?
I am thinking I should get that re-plated as well if it does not add much more onto the cost. whatever leaked out of the insulation mat ate away at the zinc. The metal below is completely fine though.
https://imgur.com/a/K8au7HS

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Also, does anyone know of anything that I can do with the 5251 terminal?