Seeking Soarer - evidence thread
- Redmaus
- Gotta start somewhere
- Location: Near Dallas, Texas
- Main keyboard: Unsaver | 3276 | Kingsaver
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade
- Favorite switch: Capacitative Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
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- Location: US
- Main keyboard: IBM M122, 3270-style
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Trackpad 2
- Favorite switch: IBM 3278/3279 beamspring
- Redmaus
- Gotta start somewhere
- Location: Near Dallas, Texas
- Main keyboard: Unsaver | 3276 | Kingsaver
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade
- Favorite switch: Capacitative Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Oh. Never heard of that before now. Interesting.
- Redmaus
- Gotta start somewhere
- Location: Near Dallas, Texas
- Main keyboard: Unsaver | 3276 | Kingsaver
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade
- Favorite switch: Capacitative Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
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- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: CM Storm Stealth
- Main mouse: Elecom HUGE
- Favorite switch: Buckling spring
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- Location: Texas
- Main keyboard: Kinesis Model 130
- Main mouse: Logitech M-S48, Razer Viper
- Favorite switch: MX Browns
- DT Pro Member: -
I was going to make a joke about checking the jargon file, but this term isn't there.
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
Edit: I mean this technically counts, but it could be expanded to include the acronym forms. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/for-values-of.html
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
- DT Pro Member: 0010
Interesting how this thread evolved (or rather did not evolve) in the two days I was off
There's a part of one post I still would like to comment:
Schoolyards and their dynamics have obviously not changed that much![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
There's a part of one post I still would like to comment:
I would urge you to read my post again, even if I know reading (and properly understanding) is not in high esteem those days, which is the reason i simply quote it in a spoiler:
Spoiler:
- Not a single word in my post was "about proper grammar". More than cursorily reading would of course have helped, but well, there seems not to be much light in your trenches.
- I was, as I clearly stated, "trying to know what it's about", and this is obviously a stage where one does not "attempt[…] to refute any claims", as you apparently expected from me.
- The "ad hominem" crime you accuse me of committing was a hilarious answer to being myself characterized out of the blue as a "urinedrawers miniature female dog", which apparently (and conveniently) escaped your attention.
Schoolyards and their dynamics have obviously not changed that much
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
- zrrion
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: F122
- Main mouse: Microsoft IntelliMouse
- Favorite switch: ALPS SKCC Cream
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Someone with more German legal knowledge than me would have to weigh in on the matter, but since DT is based in Germany still, German law likely forbids the public posting of someone else's identifying information on the forums. I was able to find articles in English about it, but nothing mentioning the specific applicable laws. I highly suggest looking into this matter as if this sort of thing is illegal in Germany then having an active thread discussing the posting of identifying information without consent on the forums could be an issue that could get us in trouble with the host and IIRC would violate the TOS for the forum as well.
- Erderm_
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: IBM 3278
- Main mouse: Kensington Expert Mouse
- Favorite switch: Beamsprings, Amber alps, Gat yellows
- DT Pro Member: -
kbdfr wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:47Interesting how this thread evolved (or rather did not evolve) in the two days I was off![]()
There's a part of one post I still would like to comment:
I would urge you to read my post again, even if I know reading (and properly understanding) is not in high esteem those days, which is the reason i simply quote it in a spoiler:Spoiler:.
- Not a single word in my post was "about proper grammar". More than cursorily reading would of course have helped, but well, there seems not to be much light in your trenches.
- I was, as I clearly stated, "trying to know what it's about", and this is obviously a stage where one does not "attempt[…] to refute any claims", as you apparently expected from me.
- The "ad hominem" crime you accuse me of committing was a hilarious answer to being myself characterized out of the blue as a "urinedrawers miniature female dog", which apparently (and conveniently) escaped your attention.
Schoolyards and their dynamics have obviously not changed that much![]()
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/2MCa1Qn.jpeg)
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
Is it German based? Has it ever been?zrrion wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 16:31Someone with more German legal knowledge than me would have to weigh in on the matter, but since DT is based in Germany still, German law likely forbids the public posting of someone else's identifying information on the forums. I was able to find articles in English about it, but nothing mentioning the specific applicable laws. I highly suggest looking into this matter as if this sort of thing is illegal in Germany then having an active thread discussing the posting of identifying information without consent on the forums could be an issue that could get us in trouble with the host and IIRC would violate the TOS for the forum as well.
https://www.whois.com/whois/deskthority.net
- ifohancroft
- Location: Sofia, Bulgaria
- Main keyboard: ErgoDox w/ SA Carbon on Box Jades
- Main mouse: Razer Viper Ultimate
- Favorite switch: Beamspring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Can we please just nuke this thread already? At this point it's nothing more than us insulting one another. I thought it was bad at first, but looking at it now... I feel like I loose IQ points just by getting notifications for this thread. Soon, I'd be in the negative numbers, and I didn't start with much IQ to begin with ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
- DT Pro Member: 0010
ifohancroft wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 17:32Can we please just nuke this thread already? At this point it's nothing more than us insulting one another. I thought it was bad at first, but looking at it now... I feel like I loose IQ points just by getting notifications for this thread. Soon, I'd be in the negative numbers, and I didn't start with much IQ to begin with![]()
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
- zrrion
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: F122
- Main mouse: Microsoft IntelliMouse
- Favorite switch: ALPS SKCC Cream
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
It was last time I checked, looks like the new owner actually moved the host instead of just changing the bill too info. In that case maybe GB has laws about that sort of thing. IIRC they're less strict than Germany though so it is likely not a legal issue for the forum if that is the case but IANAL so it would likely still be wise for someone with skin in the game to look into that.darkcruix wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 17:31Is it German based? Has it ever been?
https://www.whois.com/whois/deskthority.net
- v.equals.c.rhino
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: swype keyboard
- Main mouse: trackpad
- Favorite switch: rubber dome
any update?
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- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: CM Storm Stealth
- Main mouse: Elecom HUGE
- Favorite switch: Buckling spring
The update is I was right and the person that started this thread took their toys and went home and everyone went back to not giving a shit because it never mattered and does not matter.
If it actually DID matter that much someone would have created an open source Soarer's clone by now. Because, you know, that's how the bazaar works.
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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- Location: Philadelphia
- Main keyboard: IBM MOPAR FSSK
- Main mouse: Logitech G502 Lightspeed
- Favorite switch: Brown Alps
- Contact:
I can't believe it's been exactly a year since this thread started. What a fucking insane time to be on this forum. I wonder if keyboardcuck keeps a framed photo of it on his wall.
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- Location: Philadelphia
- Main keyboard: IBM MOPAR FSSK
- Main mouse: Logitech G502 Lightspeed
- Favorite switch: Brown Alps
- Contact:
I think you should pin mcmil's comment to the top of Deskthority. Easily the hardest I've ever laughed at anything on this forum.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
This one?
Actually, if I may go a little OfftopticThority, I’ll just mention how catastrophically user hostile I consider pinned threads to be. They really get on my tits. Take a look at Nexthority for a quick example. Now they’re hardly a busy form (Nexthority’s principal hurdle is getting a sustainable user base so anyone ever habitually posts there), yet their front page is nigh on inscrutable for rapid glancing where the current action is. There’s a bunch of stale guff forever in your face. Neither good form nor function.
So no, I’m not into pinning threads, willy nilly. I know you were kidding, but my rant is all too honest.
As for addressing Micmil’s point: Arakula did go to the bother of fully reverse engineering Soarer’s converter (which is still very widely used, by vintage newbs and habitual veterans alike) and some cheeky fucker leaked its source online against his wishes*. No one’s contributing to it because it is a property / reputation nightmare. If it was really dead and forgotten, it’s having a conspicuously productive afterlife in many classic keyboards to this day! There’s still nothing else as turn-key, sensible and complete, right out of the box.
I’m still disappointed in the shit some people were giving Soarer’s work. Asses gonna poopy, but that alternate reality of theirs isn’t one I’ve encountered.
*Arakula sent me a copy of his reverse engineered Soarer’s source code, so I know his wishes well. I did as he requested and kept the source off the internet, just like I’ve done with Soarer’s last known physical address, from ten years back when I proxied him his Kishsaver.
Actually, if I may go a little OfftopticThority, I’ll just mention how catastrophically user hostile I consider pinned threads to be. They really get on my tits. Take a look at Nexthority for a quick example. Now they’re hardly a busy form (Nexthority’s principal hurdle is getting a sustainable user base so anyone ever habitually posts there), yet their front page is nigh on inscrutable for rapid glancing where the current action is. There’s a bunch of stale guff forever in your face. Neither good form nor function.
So no, I’m not into pinning threads, willy nilly. I know you were kidding, but my rant is all too honest.
![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
As for addressing Micmil’s point: Arakula did go to the bother of fully reverse engineering Soarer’s converter (which is still very widely used, by vintage newbs and habitual veterans alike) and some cheeky fucker leaked its source online against his wishes*. No one’s contributing to it because it is a property / reputation nightmare. If it was really dead and forgotten, it’s having a conspicuously productive afterlife in many classic keyboards to this day! There’s still nothing else as turn-key, sensible and complete, right out of the box.
I’m still disappointed in the shit some people were giving Soarer’s work. Asses gonna poopy, but that alternate reality of theirs isn’t one I’ve encountered.
*Arakula sent me a copy of his reverse engineered Soarer’s source code, so I know his wishes well. I did as he requested and kept the source off the internet, just like I’ve done with Soarer’s last known physical address, from ten years back when I proxied him his Kishsaver.
- Polecat
- Location: Downstream from Silicon Valley
- Main keyboard: Monterey K104 Industrial Gray
- Main mouse: Logitech Optical
- Favorite switch: Early Alps SKCM
- DT Pro Member: -
I was worried enough to buy an extra converter from Orihalcon. No regrets whatsoever; 40 bucks isn't going to break me and it never hurts to have a spare. So to me it's more of a relief than an amusement to have this behind us. But it's really amazing how one self-important jerk can stir things up.headphone_jack wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 16:23I think you should pin mcmil's comment to the top of Deskthority. Easily the hardest I've ever laughed at anything on this forum.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
I do think esr fundamentally had a point. If this was a widely used internet-facing technology that needed security updates, running it would be insane. The project would need leadership and legal ownership. Abandonware and unstated licenses are corrosive.
But it’s just an AT keyboard converter. So, uh, the ends did not quite justify the means!
I wish all this hadn’t shat all over Arakula’s reimplementation, though. A modern Soarer’s which runs on more project boards and has extended features and compatibility would be very welcome in our harmless little corner of the tech world.
But it’s just an AT keyboard converter. So, uh, the ends did not quite justify the means!
I wish all this hadn’t shat all over Arakula’s reimplementation, though. A modern Soarer’s which runs on more project boards and has extended features and compatibility would be very welcome in our harmless little corner of the tech world.
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- Location: Philadelphia
- Main keyboard: IBM MOPAR FSSK
- Main mouse: Logitech G502 Lightspeed
- Favorite switch: Brown Alps
- Contact:
We have that, it's called TMK. Takes like 30 seconds to flash, is open source, and continually updated.