Triumph Adler Gabriele 7007L (ES Layout)

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guilleguillaume

18 Feb 2013, 17:00

I managed to purchase a Triumph Adler Gabriele 7007L from a guy here in Spain. It has indeed Dye Sub keycaps with uncommon ES layout.

I has a keycap with which is only used in some words written inCatalan like col·legi = school or intel·ligent = inteligent. I was quite surprised by this when I received it last Friday.

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And the keycaps:

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This logo is on the backside of the typewriter:

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It also have a Clicky white switch inside the machine but didn't take a picture. You can check it here: [Photos] T+A Gabriele 7007L caps

Right now I'm cleaning the keycaps with denture tabs but they are in fantastic conditions. I will update the thread with better pictures when the keycaps are clean and have some good light to take pictures.

IvanIvanovich

18 Feb 2013, 17:22

Congratulations on finally getting one. That MOD key is very cool, wish mine had that and also the blank caps lock.

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Kurk

18 Feb 2013, 18:37

Those black MYs are also better than the white ones, for what it's worth. They slide more smoothly, especially when hit off-centre.

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Jmneuv

18 Feb 2013, 19:52

Very nice caps also the L-Enter.
Amazing they managed to reduce the quality of MYs even further.

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Daniel Beardsmore

18 Feb 2013, 21:50

Added to the Cherry MY wiki page — slowly building up a picture of what else used these switches besides Cherry G81 series. You should upload some pictures of the switch directly to the wiki once they clean. I didn't realise the black ones were a third slider shape! (I wonder if those are as awful to disassemble as the modern white ones :)

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guilleguillaume

18 Feb 2013, 22:02

I will take better pictures and some close up of the switches once they're clean and I have some time for it.

The typewriter is in working condition but since I'm not going to use the it I guess I could dissasemble them.

I'm only cleaning the keycaps for now.

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Daniel Beardsmore

19 Feb 2013, 01:15

I don't know about the black ones, but the modern white ones have no fewer than four simultaneous pieces of plastic preventing the slider coming out. When you finally manage it, the spring fires out.

I wasn't expecting you to disassemble it, just illustrate it having a third slider shape. (WTF Cherry? ;-)

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guilleguillaume

19 Feb 2013, 11:39

I got a nice surprise today with a Triumph Adler CompacTA 600 that also has MY Linear switches.
It has Dye Sub keycaps and AWESOME MY linear switches that feel fantastic, almost as vintage MX Black.

I didn't need to open any switch because there is a key that uses a switch as stabiliser with a different Stem so it doesn't activate the switch. I can see how it's made and will take pictures of it so everyone can see innards of the switch.
They don't use any spring and instead use some kind of metal leaf in the bottom left of the switch. They feel fantastic and nothing to do with the ones that 7007L has. This typewriter was in better condition and must be because of that that the switches feel way better.

Will post the pictures once I've cleaned all the keys.

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Paranoid

19 Feb 2013, 15:21

Nice find :) I was researching the 110 and 110 DS a while ago since there were some in the neighborhood and they had the blue dyesub caps like this one, but they were not MX compatible. Something square for a stem with a large diameter spring underneath.
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Bullveyr

19 Feb 2013, 15:32

Those pics reminded me of the typewriter we still use here at work, so I checked.

TA CompacTA 400DS

Pretty much the same only with a German Layout.

rodtang

19 Feb 2013, 15:45

Bullveyr wrote:TA CompacTA 400DS
Are you willing to pull a cap and take a pic so we can confirm it to have Cherry compatible caps?

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Bullveyr

19 Feb 2013, 16:13

Already did (who needs a key puller), same as the ones from guilleguillaume.

Potato wasn't able to make suitable photos, I'll try to make better ones with my digicam tomorrow, but be aware, it's quite dirty. :P

rodtang

19 Feb 2013, 16:54

Bullveyr wrote:Already did
Awesome, thanks!

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Daniel Beardsmore

19 Feb 2013, 23:25

guilleguillaume wrote:They don't use any spring and instead use some kind of metal leaf in the bottom left of the switch.
All MY switches have a weird elongated diamond leaf; the … elbow, if you like … of the leaf appears to be what presses on the membrane. Very subtle, as it only protrudes by a very small amount — I tried to capture it in photographs, but it's hard to prove in photos what it does. This leaf spring is reported to be 20–25 cN. (It's on my to-post list.)

Inside the switch is a normal helical spring that provides most of the force.

You may of course have something else we don't know about, although Cherry didn't burn through designs like Alps did.
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Bullveyr

20 Feb 2013, 15:49

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I really like those colors.

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realex

25 Feb 2013, 19:39

got mine, my backspace is doubleshot light blue as the only key, rest are dyesub - the typewriter was basically nib, not even the slightest dust in it, thus the caps are in very good condition.
i am maybe getting around 40 more of these typewriters, sets will be found in marketplace if i can get them.

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THE 1.5 MOD to end all discussions:

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Findecanor

26 Feb 2013, 16:08

realex wrote:THE 1.5 MOD to end all discussions:
Mods tend to do that when discussions have got out of hand ... ;)

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Daniel Beardsmore

26 Feb 2013, 19:06

Just to confirm — are these just the ordinary black MY switches?

What are the switches that "don't use any spring and instead use some kind of metal leaf in the bottom left of the switch"?

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realex

26 Feb 2013, 22:14

haven't tried any my switches before so i really can't tell if they are ordinary ones or different. can take a closer photo of them though, i'll edit in a few.

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Daniel Beardsmore

27 Feb 2013, 01:03

You should upload that shot to the wiki, it's nice.

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realex

27 Feb 2013, 18:31

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:You should upload that shot to the wiki, it's nice.
feel free to do whatever you like with it :p

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Daniel Beardsmore

27 Feb 2013, 18:52

People are meant to upload their own … I'm not going to do everyone's work for them.

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realex

27 Feb 2013, 19:52

whats wrong with you?

1. i took this shot as a favor because you asked for more info
2. you said you would like it in the wiki
3. i allowed you to handle it like it was your own

at no point did i have the intent to upload or share anything i wasn't asked for (by you). so take it or leave, idc, end of story.

sincerely yours "people"

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Daniel Beardsmore

27 Feb 2013, 20:14

I don't want it as my own. Why would I want that?

What's wrong? You mean apart from having to work on the entries for pretty much every switch and every keyboard and just about everything else? (Apart from the guys doing Topre and patents.)

That's what's wrong.

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Ascaii
The Beard

27 Feb 2013, 20:22

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:I don't want it as my own. Why would I want that?

What's wrong? You mean apart from having to work on the entries for pretty much every switch and every keyboard and just about everything else? (Apart from the guys doing Topre and patents.)

That's what's wrong.
Daniel, we all appreciate you contributions, but your sense of self-righteous indignation that other people wont do what you do has no place here. Chill the fuck out.

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Daniel Beardsmore

27 Feb 2013, 22:36

If you want it to rot, it's not a huge deal for me to leave it and let it die. I did suggest very politely, but I'm certainly not going to do the job of everyone.

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Ascaii
The Beard

27 Feb 2013, 22:53

You push people to take pictures for you and then get annoyed and verbose when they dont take the time to learn how to post the pics to the wiki. Be happy they took the picture for you in the first place. Im getting annoyed at this attitude of yours, its not a welcoming attitude.

IvanIvanovich

27 Feb 2013, 23:09

Yes it is shocking some people do not care about the wiki as much as you. Just be happy they supplied something for you and make use of it for the wiki yourself if it is important to you for it to be there.
People also might be more helpful to you if you ask can you take picture of X for the wiki, if they do you, just say thank you and make your entry and stop expecting everyone to become wiki authors. Some people are simply not interested in it. If you feel you are being over worked making wiki entry, slow down or take a break instead of getting upset.

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webwit
Wild Duck

27 Feb 2013, 23:58

Ascaii wrote:Be happy they took the picture for you in the first place.
IvanIvanovich wrote:Just be happy they supplied something for you and make use of it for the wiki yourself if it is important to you for it to be there.
It's not for himself. It's an open wiki, Daniel gives away all his work. While I agree with the sentiment it is not as important for everyone, it is however an important work - the wiki is a hit and is used by many as standard reference and research material. So Daniel is pushing the wiki, not his own thing. That Daniel is a poor motivator is a different issue. :twisted: I think you should allow him some grumpiness from time to time, but still think he makes an error if he seeks motivation from parallel community effort on specific wiki subjects, for the reasons you guys mentioned here. Not that he should stop asking for contributions (on the contrary), but be less disappointed when not enough people are into something at the same time. Still not necessarily a bad thing Daniel. Do you think Asimov complained about having to write every god damn page himself? You gotta learn to enjoy your writing and your research more. And people do help. In any case I greatly value your contributions and what the wiki is becoming.

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Daniel Beardsmore

28 Feb 2013, 00:49

I've already decided to quit everything but Alps and the photos I've yet to upload (I have a colossal backlog of work already). People are always happy to use a reference, but the existence of a reference is of course magic — it just happens to be there. How convenient, that …

For what it's worth, Sandy has given his consent (well, his website already does) to post his photos. See existing examples for suitable imagedesc usage.

Also, we're allowed to use MouseFan's photos, so long as they're for public, non-commercial use. Sandy suggested that we 'put a note something like "great thanks to Mousefan providing pictures and information ..." or such somewhere in wiki page or any appropriate space.'" This should all be communicated via appropriate use of the imagedesc template.

As for Asimov as an example — that's absurd. He made it all up. I'd love to just make up everything, but sadly our knowledge base is constrained to being concerned with the facts.

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