Bunker Ramo Admin Keyboard + Zbrojovka Consul
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Hi!
After I got my Honeywell VT10, I've managed to obtain two more treasures. Both require proper cleaning and de-yellowing with H2O2.
The first one is the Bunker Ramo Admin Keyboard with German layout:
Full gallery: http://imgur.com/a/i8Rmc
The second one here is a Zbrojovka, probably a Consul:
Full gallery: http://imgur.com/a/7ouRW
What do you guys think?
After I got my Honeywell VT10, I've managed to obtain two more treasures. Both require proper cleaning and de-yellowing with H2O2.
The first one is the Bunker Ramo Admin Keyboard with German layout:
Full gallery: http://imgur.com/a/i8Rmc
The second one here is a Zbrojovka, probably a Consul:
Full gallery: http://imgur.com/a/7ouRW
What do you guys think?
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
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Amazing. The top one especially looks fantastic. Imagine having that in your office!
The bottom one looks distinctly like Tesla MS1SS1 quad-magnet Hall effect.
The bottom one looks distinctly like Tesla MS1SS1 quad-magnet Hall effect.
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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The switches on Zbrojovka might as well be made by Tesla, since literally all of the ICs on the PCB are made by Tesla as well. There is no designation on the switch itself though.
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
- Favorite switch: IBM capacitive buckling spring
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Awesome, I love the Zbrojovka.
- GEIST
- Location: Offenbach / Germany
- Main keyboard: Kyria
- Main mouse: Logitech G404
- Favorite switch: Zilents
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The top one looks amazing and it's name seems like a perfect match
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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One of the interesting things here is that the switch on the Bunker Ramo is an unknown variant of the Honeywell switch, as someone pointed out to me on reddit.
Guys by the way, does anyone recognize the logo from this label?
It's all over the PCBs as well.
Guys by the way, does anyone recognize the logo from this label?
It's all over the PCBs as well.
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Just for fun, here's a current keycap/keytop gallery: http://imgur.com/a/BWySI
- tentator
- Location: ZH, CH
- Main keyboard: MX blue tentboard
- Main mouse: Pointing Stick
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Blue and Model F BS
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the keycaps of the second, Zbrojovka, probably a Consul really look very similar to nixie keycaps!! it's a pitty I suppose they're not mx compatible though....
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Well I've gotta say that those are the thinnest double shot keytops I've seen. I'm actually quite worried that they'll fall apart when I clean them.
Most of the Hall Effect keytops can be adapted to MX stem (except for the ones in Bunker Ramo), with some playdough in the original stem slot, and a spare MX stem to mold the shape in it, and it should be perfect. Just as ALPS stems can be adapted to an MX keytop with a piece of a ziptie and glue
Most of the Hall Effect keytops can be adapted to MX stem (except for the ones in Bunker Ramo), with some playdough in the original stem slot, and a spare MX stem to mold the shape in it, and it should be perfect. Just as ALPS stems can be adapted to an MX keytop with a piece of a ziptie and glue
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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I'll post a picture of a modified ALPS switch (previous owner of my MicroNorth did that after probably losing a key)
About that hall effect keycaps, I haven't done it, would be nice to see someone do that The problem here is that these keycaps might be slightly larger than usual.
About that hall effect keycaps, I haven't done it, would be nice to see someone do that The problem here is that these keycaps might be slightly larger than usual.
- seebart
- Offtopicthority Instigator
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
- Favorite switch: IBM capacitive buckling spring
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Actually I'll only believe that when I see it. Pictures please. This is what we have on Honeywell Hall Effect:auroray wrote: ↑One of the interesting things here is that the switch on the Bunker Ramo is an unknown variant of the Honeywell switch, as someone pointed out to me on reddit.
wiki/Honeywell_Hall_Effect
wiki/Micro_Switch_Hall_Effect
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Come on man, I've linked galleries with 40+ pictures of the boards The Bunker Ramo has Honeywell Hall Effect switches designated as D1K3S:Actually I'll only believe that when I see it. Pictures please. This is what we have on Honeywell Hall Effect:
wiki/Honeywell_Hall_Effect
wiki/Micro_Switch_Hall_Effect
K as a stem type is not documented. Perhaps time to update the Wiki?
To summarize - White stem, undocumented stem type, standard actuation force, 2 redundant sense lines.
I'll be removing all of the caps for cleaning tomorrow, I'll post more pictures if I find different switches
One cool thing I failed to mention - The 'Caps lock' key is a locking type switch - the key stays down until the second press.
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
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Sorry I'm not convinced (yet). Your fruity attitude won't make it better either. Reddit is a piece of shit to me BTW.
Yeah do that.I'll be removing all of the caps for cleaning tomorrow, I'll post more pictures if I find different switches
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Sorry, I'm confused... How am I being fruity? I share what I find here, hoping for a more mature community than Reddit's.
I realize you're a veteran here, that's the feeling I got reading your post, but please, let me know what I said or did wrong, I'd hate to do something wrong again.
I realize you're a veteran here, that's the feeling I got reading your post, but please, let me know what I said or did wrong, I'd hate to do something wrong again.
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
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Nothing "wrong" except you coming to very firm conclusions that I doubt you or me or anyone can answer since this is old obscure hardware. How do you know it's "undocumented"? How do you know it's even Honeywell? Who is this expert from Reddit? Get what I mean? I mean how do you know? We would have to have access to Honeywell's backlog to find out.
And I'd like to repeat; you are doing a great job here sharing this. But please stick to the facts. If you have proof please show me because I don't.
Here is dorkvader's excellent Hall Effect Switch Compendium, have a look at it please:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dork_vade ... 2093794783
And I'd like to repeat; you are doing a great job here sharing this. But please stick to the facts. If you have proof please show me because I don't.
That's the way to go. Don't be offended please.I share what I find here, hoping for a more mature community than Reddit's.
Here is dorkvader's excellent Hall Effect Switch Compendium, have a look at it please:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dork_vade ... 2093794783
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- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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By undocumented I meant that the 'Stem type' section is just missing the 'K' for the flat stem, that's all.
I just found an old topic here on Deskthority with exactly the same keyboard as mine, only slighly older and in worse shape. The switch is indeed made by Micro Switch (I looked at the switch on mine again, and it does say Micro USA), but it looks as if it's been made to imitate the Honewell one - the other Micro Switch board I have has switches that look more like the photo in the Wiki.
The PCB containing the switches is also missing the metal frame that Micro Switch PCBs are usually mounted on (again, from what I've seen so far)
Here's the old topic: photos-f62/bunker-ramo-micro-switch-keyboard-t5390.html
I just found an old topic here on Deskthority with exactly the same keyboard as mine, only slighly older and in worse shape. The switch is indeed made by Micro Switch (I looked at the switch on mine again, and it does say Micro USA), but it looks as if it's been made to imitate the Honewell one - the other Micro Switch board I have has switches that look more like the photo in the Wiki.
The PCB containing the switches is also missing the metal frame that Micro Switch PCBs are usually mounted on (again, from what I've seen so far)
Here's the old topic: photos-f62/bunker-ramo-micro-switch-keyboard-t5390.html
- seebart
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- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
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Well there you go! That's what I'm talking about. Now you're getting somewhere! It's got the same sticker too. 7bit of all people! I wonder if he still has it. Micro Switch was a bought by Honeywell BTW, same company.
OK you're right it is very probable those are Honeywell Hall Effect. Semi-documented. Although we do not know what goes on in the rest of what we call the internet, the things I have found!
OK you're right it is very probable those are Honeywell Hall Effect. Semi-documented. Although we do not know what goes on in the rest of what we call the internet, the things I have found!
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
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Siemens switches. Go for it. We need more info's on those too.auroray wrote: ↑I'm also going to grab a Siemens TD-81610 that's for sale near me, curious what switches does it have.
keyboards-f2/can-anyone-id-this-for-me-t9048.html
http://utensilia.tk/siemens_td-81610/
- auroray
- Location: Poland
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M (Terminal)
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling spring
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Hi again,
Here some photos of the keycaps after whitening treatment, and one more new keyswitch I found in the Bunker Ramo:
The new switch I found is retentive, as in press once to engage, press one more time to disengage. (New switch variant, not listen on the wiki.)
I've left the 'Copy' key untreated to show more contrast.
Before:
After:
Here some photos of the keycaps after whitening treatment, and one more new keyswitch I found in the Bunker Ramo:
The new switch I found is retentive, as in press once to engage, press one more time to disengage. (New switch variant, not listen on the wiki.)
I've left the 'Copy' key untreated to show more contrast.
Before:
After:
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Rotation
- Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
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It's listed now alright! If you have any more bundle them please.auroray wrote: ↑...not listed on the wiki
wiki/Honeywell_Hall_Effect
Also the Zbrojovka Consul has it's own header:
deskthority-f17/post-your-deskthority-h ... -2040.html