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Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 00:02
by matt3o
Muirium wrote:Source Pro is a pretty good one too. And I am rather attached to hokey old Monaco. But keep these off our keyboards, please!!!
of course (even though if SP let me, I would love one set with a fixed width font, just for me

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Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 00:12
by Muirium
Aaargh! You had to introduce my mind to the idea of bespoke individual key sets with our own choice of fonts! Sound the alarm.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 00:51
by jdeblese
Now to introduce it to the mind of SP

Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 03:07
by Eszett
Experience says, that fancy fonts may look ugly in smaller font sizes. Let’s stick to Caviar Dreams as example:

Some fonts look nice on screen, but ugly when printed. Gotham Rounded however shines especially when printed, because of its even proportions, high legibility and rounded ends. Good choice, matteo!
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 07:23
by drrtyrokka
Yea I also think it is not as compatible with the people's taste as matt3o's gotham rounded. But was nice to look at, really like the 20's style
A keyboard with lower case letters would be awesome too, but I think it's really hard to get it look good because of the differences between letter widths and heights.
(I really like DejaVu Sans and SourceCode Pro for coding, they look so well designed!)
Gotham is a good choice, no doubt!
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 09:45
by matt3o
I fixed the @
before and after

Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 10:33
by Muirium
I see what you did — thickened the tail to match the centre — but I don't know how you did it. Inkscape? Well done, that's for sure!
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 10:38
by matt3o
Muirium wrote:I see what you did — thickened the tail to match the centre — but I don't know how you did it. Inkscape? Well done, that's for sure!
Thanks.
yes, inkscape. Also the "a" is slightly smaller so when reduced it doesn't get mangled with the circle.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 10:40
by Muirium
Subtle! I was simply wowed by how you managed to keep the taper in the tail just right.
You'll be designing your own fonts someday…
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 15:31
by matt3o
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 15:45
by imbattable
Yay, a comma in the numpad
Is the single legend comma "dot-part" centered on the cap, so it looks like a dot with a protruding tail or are both characters centered with their respective centers on the cap?
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 15:46
by matt3o
imbattable wrote:Yay, a comma in the numpad
Is the single legend comma "dot-part" centered on the cap, so it looks like a dot with a protruding tail or are both characters centered with their respective centers on the cap?
It's centered to the keycap and then slid down a pinch.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:02
by Muirium
Looking good to me. Although the PGDN debate may well continue.
How are the mono legend sets? My next axe to grind is that period key in exile. What about people doing full size keyboards with a mono legend theme?
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:23
by imbattable
Buy two numpads?
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:27
by matt3o
Muirium wrote:Looking good to me. Although the PGDN debate may well continue.
How are the mono legend sets? My next axe to grind is that period key in exile. What about people doing full size keyboards with a mono legend theme?
yes, that might be a problem. But if you are going mono-legend you also need the numbers, so you have to buy 2 numpads anyway.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:32
by Muirium
Depends which kind of mono legend. I'd go for !@# along row 1 instead of 123…
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:33
by imbattable
You could have my dot for the cost of shipping

Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:35
by Muirium
Shh! I'm trying to persuade him!
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:40
by imbattable
ok, I'll be reeeeeeaaaaaly quiet
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:41
by Muirium
That's much better. Thanks! Hopefully this will work…
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:53
by matt3o
So you'd like to have , and . in the monolegend if I get it right
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 16:57
by Muirium
Yes! (As well as in the numpad, not to screw around with those guys.) Does it upset the numbers?
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 17:05
by matt3o
Muirium wrote:Yes! (As well as in the numpad, not to screw around with those guys.) Does it upset the numbers?
I don't know... mmmh
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 18:35
by Kurk
It's me, nagging about the tilde / grave again. It seems that the line thickness is greater than on other legends. Only my imagination?
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 18:40
by matt3o
the grave is very hard to reduce in thickness, reducing the thickness makes the symbol actually smaller, so you have to find a sweet spot. The tilde is very close to alpha thickness. I think I will outline all nums/symbols just a bit to reach the same alpha thickness (or at least very close to it)
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 19:36
by Muirium
Kurk wrote:It's me, nagging about the tilde / grave again. It seems that the line thickness is greater than on other legends. Only my imagination?
matt3o wrote:the grave is very hard to reduce in thickness, reducing the thickness makes the symbol actually smaller, so you have to find a sweet spot. The tilde is very close to alpha thickness. I think I will outline all nums/symbols just a bit to reach the same alpha thickness (or at least very close to it)
It looks fine to me. But these things are highly subjective. What does the alternative look like? Pictures are worth more here than words.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 20:02
by matt3o
This might be close to final
line width seems pretty coherent all over the board
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 20:32
by matt3o
More keys...

Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 20:43
by fifted
The shift keys would benefit from the "FT" glyph/ligature; I know this was an issue for doubleshot keys since SP doesn't have the molding, but we should be able to get it on our dye subs.
Edit: also, Super keys' reduced font size is a little unfortunate.
Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:04
by Muirium
fifted wrote:The shift keys would benefit from the "FT" glyph/ligature; I know this was an issue for doubleshot keys since SP doesn't have the molding, but we should be able to get it on our dye subs.
Great idea. Gotham's surely chock full of ligatures, let me look…
fifted wrote:Edit: also, Super keys' reduced font size is a little unfortunate.
Well, it's better than SUPR. And shrinking them all for the benefit of a single legend in 1u is quite a sacrifice I think.
Edit: Oh well, I can't find any ligatures in Gotham Rounded at all. And unlike its dynamic sibling Hoefler Text, they don't mention them in its features either, so I guess not.
http://www.typography.com/fonts/gotham- ... /features/