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Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:41
by green-squid
Ivalop750 wrote: Model M? 1391405 manufactured united kingdom copyright IBM 1985 print 13b build 53b 1168592f 528771
Is it worth for 40€?

Absolutely! And you also get a free retro gaming PC setup for some retro gaming!

Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:45
by samuelcable
Ivalop750 wrote: Model M? 1391405 manufactured united kingdom copyright IBM 1985 print 13b build 53b 1168592f 528771
Is it worth for 40€?

you could probably make the money back by flipping that old hardware and get to keep the keyboard!
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:48
by green-squid
I'd personally keep the hardware, dust out the PC and reinstall Windows 98 or XP depending on what it can handle
And puppy linux!
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 02:00
by Peachyhue
Hey boys,
This guy came in the mail today. I bought it because I fell in love with its appearance but would certainly like to know more about it. If anyone has any light to shed, I'd appreciate it greatly. Thanks for your time!
imgur album link:
https://imgur.com/a/GJyFa

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- Peach
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 02:02
by Daniel Beardsmore
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 02:05
by mike52787
Peachyhue wrote: Hey boys,
This guy came in the mail today. I bought it because I fell in love with its appearance but would certainly like to know more about it. If anyone has any light to shed, I'd appreciate it greatly. Thanks for your time!
imgur album link:
https://imgur.com/a/GJyFa
29792635_1335654513245238_6066265616220684288_o.jpg
- Peach
Wow, she's a looker that's for sure. Nice case and caps. I used to have a typewriter with these switches, I was quite unimpressed with the keyfeel though.
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 15:35
by Blaise170
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 00:28
by PlacaFromHell
Someone know the switches or at least what is this thing?
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... gos-58-_JM

Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 08:10
by kbdfr
Oh come on, using Google cannot be so difficult.
Detailed info here:
http://www.johnwolff.id.au/calculators/ ... ogos58.htm
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 12:48
by Daniel Beardsmore
This one is even worse:
http://www.johnwolff.id.au/calculators/ ... m#Keyboard
Cherry M7 (as it was later known) came out around 1970. I'm not clear what would have been around in the late 60s — I can only think of Micro Switch SW Series. What would have been more cost effective, US-made Hall effect switches, or a motor-driven mechanical assembly?
Datanetics elastic diaphragm array was introduced in 1968, which was also maybe a bit late.
Even then, the Logos 58 above still used a complex keyboard assembly instead of the discrete switches that were definitely available at the time.
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 19:54
by snufflecat
Anyone ever heard of Targa mechanical boards?

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It looks like the model "KB-2971", which apparently has "non-latching switches". I guess that means it's not mechanical?

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Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 19:56
by Noobmaen
snufflecat wrote: Anyone ever heard of Targa mechanical boards?
It looks like the model "KB-2971", which apparently has "non-latching switches". I guess that means it's not mechanical?
Chicony 2971 rebrand, rubberdome
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 21:06
by PlacaFromHell
Daniel Beardsmore wrote: This one is even worse:
http://www.johnwolff.id.au/calculators/ ... m#Keyboard
Cherry M7 (as it was later known) came out around 1970. I'm not clear what would have been around in the late 60s — I can only think of Micro Switch SW Series. What would have been more cost effective, US-made Hall effect switches, or a motor-driven mechanical assembly?
Datanetics elastic diaphragm array was introduced in 1968, which was also maybe a bit late.
Even then, the Logos 58 above still used a complex keyboard assembly instead of the discrete switches that were definitely available at the time.
Oh, so most probably no cool switches in this thing

Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 21:14
by Daniel Beardsmore
Latching keys are the ones that stay down when pressed. Since they were probably never used on any PC keyboard, I have no idea why the manufacturer would bother to state that. (Apple used latching alternate action switches for Alpha/Shift/Caps Lock for years, up until the AppleDesign Keyboard, which was the first Mac keyboard with entirely momentary switches.)
The only reason it would matter is if your operating system is expecting the caps lock switch to be conductive when caps lock is engaged, and the OS that cared about that was Mac OS.
What on earth is "pseudo N-key rollover"? It's either N-key rollover or it isn't.
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 23:51
by JP!
Anyone know what this keyboard is or what it goes to? I don't have this one...yet but there is nothing on the bottom as far as labels. I imagine some kind of micro switch hall effect?

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Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 00:23
by Chyros
The caps look pretty Micro Switch, I think.
Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 00:42
by snacksthecat
I'm a bit of a noob so sorry if this is obvious. What is this guy?
Funny coincidence: Bought this from an individual on eBay located in the Czech Republic and it looks like the board was manufactured in Waukegan, IL where I work.

Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 14:25
by snufflecat
Noobmaen wrote: snufflecat wrote: Anyone ever heard of Targa mechanical boards?
It looks like the model "KB-2971", which apparently has "non-latching switches". I guess that means it's not mechanical?
Chicony 2971 rebrand, rubberdome
Cheers m8.
Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 18:36
by jihadu
Whats this old Phillips board?
Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 20:26
by snufflecat
Seller is asking $320 for this machine. Any thoughts? Worth getting and/or bidding on?

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Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 20:31
by Noobmaen
jihadu wrote:
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Whats this old Phillips board?
I believe it is a Honeywell 102RX, ordinary rubberdome
Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 21:59
by davkol
derp
Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 22:38
by Daniel Beardsmore
Which reminds me, somewhere there were photos of a Cherry keyboard where they inherited the tooling from Honeywell (where the domes were on webbing). I also found this very suspect "Cherry" PDF that shows that webbing system as being Cherry NTK, and I can't recall if I ever saw that in a G83 keyboard … (I forget what the URL was now, it will be in some tab in some browser window somewhere I guess.)
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Edit: http://www.bluestarinc.com/cherry/pdfs/ ... h_tech.pdf — that is the PDF]
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 13:46
by jihadu
davkol wrote: Noobmaen wrote: jihadu wrote:
Whats this old Phillips board?
I believe it is a Honeywell 102RX, ordinary rubberdome
The Honeywell is downstream branding too; the actual manufacturer is Siam United Hi Tech, but it's a rubber dome indeed AFAIK.
Thanks guys. It just looked way too Model M alike I had to ask.
I came across it during my usual perusing through the classifieds. So many rubber domes. Cheers
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 21:16
by Myoth
Does anybody know what this is ? the seller probably won't sell it without the pc but wondered what it was anyway...
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 21:27
by Blaise170
It's a Honeywell Bull in XT layout, I would guess foam and foil based on the LED but can't confirm that.
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 21:29
by codemonkeymike
Myoth wrote:
Does anybody know what this is ? the seller probably won't sell it without the pc but wondered what it was anyway...
It would also be quite sad if they did part that PC out. Some sort of IBM XT clone.
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 21:35
by Myoth
codemonkeymike wrote: Myoth wrote:
Does anybody know what this is ? the seller probably won't sell it without the pc but wondered what it was anyway...
It would also be quite sad if they did part that PC out. Some sort of IBM XT clone.
I wasn't going to anyway .. though there is a nice Goupil G5 with a nice keyboard for not that expensive but it's mssing caps

Posted: 10 Apr 2018, 06:05
by zrrion
Does anyone know about either of these? The pcb of the bottom one has "Mistumi 56 8152 a" on it but I wasn't able to find any info on that.
Posted: 10 Apr 2018, 07:13
by Walrustein
Can anyone identify this keyboard? I don't actually own it so this is the only photo ive got.