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squarefrog wrote:Mostly - Tab is missing. I do think layer ones are good. But I'll let others chirp in.

jdeblese wrote:

squarefrog wrote:Mostly - Tab is missing. I do think layer ones are good. But I'll let others chirp in.

The tab of the base set is 1.5x, so we're good there.

/? is not common, but all the other common ones are in there already. It crops up on the verticals on a few layouts, but I guess we could exchange it for a layer key of some kind. Any suggestions?

matt3o wrote:

Broadmonkey wrote:I really like the green "second" layer or shift characters, makes it worthwhile to have it dye sub instead of double shot.
What I don't understand however is why the sets must be so large. Do we know price tiers?

How so? You mean so many kits? Well it's dye sub so we have no restrictions on legends.

Personally I would gladly get rid of the Icon kit... but if there's really interest in it...

jdeblese wrote:The tab of the base set is 1.5x, so we're good there.

jdeblese wrote:

squarefrog wrote: /? is not common, but all the other common ones are in there already. It crops up on the verticals on a few layouts, but I guess we could exchange it for a layer key of some kind. Any suggestions?

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| LAYER |
|   +   |
|       |
|_______|

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|       |
| LAYER |
|   -   |
|       |
|_______|

jdeblese wrote:[{ turns up on the 1.5 verticals in quite a few layouts that I've seen.

Broadmonkey wrote:No, I actually think there should be more kits/sets. In order to cover a simple winkeyless you have to buy the Pro kit which is going to be expensive, and has a lot more keys than needed (this is just an example). The ultimate solution would be to just have kits with only one key in each, and then people could get exactly what they'd like, but it of course depends on the price tiers.

squarefrog wrote: I'm sorry - my mistake! So that very first layout is the "base kit"?

squarefrog wrote: I might not be the best to answer - I'm a programmer so push/pop makes sense to me but to others maybe not. LAYER TOGGLE or LAYER SHIFT might be good.

squarefrog wrote:

jdeblese wrote: [{ turns up on the 1.5 verticals in quite a few layouts that I've seen.

[{ vertical makes a lot of sense to me, and as an Obj-C guy that's what I'd have anyway! Horizontal is less useful to me.

jdeblese wrote: I'm personally a little leery of any of these, as with the ergodox you also have to know which layer it's operating on.

How about keeping it simple, and switching /? out for a LAYER key, which'll mean whatever the user wants it to mean? You could have a 1.0x LAYER key in the same vein, which I was planning on using FN for.

jdeblese wrote: I have that one there as well, but I don't think we're ever gonna get everyone to agree where which symbols go, so I figured all sideways characters on the verticals was less objectionable than some sideways characters on the horizontals.

squarefrog wrote:Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's nice to hear the thinking behind the layout.

Broadmonkey wrote:No, I actually think there should be more kits/sets. In order to cover a simple winkeyless you have to buy the Pro kit which is going to be expensive, and has a lot more keys than needed (this is just an example). The ultimate solution would be to just have kits with only one key in each, and then people could get exactly what they'd like, but it of course depends on the price tiers.

Nuum wrote:Shouldn't the RGB modifiers be all caps, too?

Nuum wrote:A 6u spacebar like the one you have on your brownfox could be useful to some people.

mm87 wrote:Possible to have short right shift (1.75) in the RGB kit ?

Nuum wrote:German seems ok, but the 1! isn't really necessary, is it? I think, it's already in Ansi-US. Also, if we could let go of some third legends, the kits would be much smaller.

Nuum wrote:Also, if we could let go of some third legends, the kits would be much smaller, e.g. 7/{ to 7/.

matt3o wrote:okay... I must say it. it's very nice.



but still, I'm not completely sold.

7bit wrote:

matt3o wrote:okay... I must say it. it's very nice.



but still, I'm not completely sold.

Looks great!
You must make the A-Z green, too, because otherwise people think it has Caps Lock on by default.

Broadmonkey wrote:Why would you think that?

Halvar wrote:... and mine, I checked against a DE keyboard, but not against US ANSI.

Nuum wrote:Also, if we could let go of some third legends, the kits would be much smaller, e.g. 7/{ to 7/.

It's always hard to determine how far these compromises for a lower price should go. For me, if I spend the money for a keycap set and extra money for an international set in a group buy, I'd rather pay more and have an uncompromised set. These sets are luxury articles anyway, aren't they?

"Look, I have this exclusive 100 € PBT spherical dyesub set on my 130 € Filco (or 250 € custom designed board)! And I spent an extra 50 € to have the legends in my language! Yes, I know the € sign and {[]}²³~| are missing, but after all it was 10€ cheaper that way and I know where everything belongs anyway!"

Halvar wrote:"Look, I have this exclusive 100 € PBT spherical dyesub set on my 130 € Filco (or 250 € custom designed board)! And I spent an extra 50 € to have the legends in my language! Yes, I know the € sign and {[]}²³~| are missing, but after all it was 10€ cheaper that way and I know where everything belongs anyway!"