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Who came up with the misnomer "tenkeyless"?

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 00:39
by zslane
My understanding is that the difference between a full ANSI/ISO keyboard and a "TKL" (tenkeyless) board is the absence of the numpad keys. If so, the term "tenkeyless" is clearly a misnomer since the numpad consists of seventeen keys, not ten. Who came up with this term, and where did they learn to count?

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 01:14
by vvp
Somebody from a marketing department.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 01:17
by klikkyklik
vvp wrote: Somebody from a marketing department.
LOL

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 01:29
by webwit
Diatec for the Filco Majestouch.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 01:51
by fohat
I thought that TKL meant "the keyboard lessening"

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 03:31
by Engicoder
It goes way back to early adding machines. The numeric cluster where the number 1 to 9 are in three throws with the 0 at the bottom has long been called a "Ten key". http://retrocalculators.com/sundstrand.htm

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 03:35
by 002
webwit wrote: Diatec for the Filco Majestouch.
This is what I thought, too -- Japan. If may have existed earlier but the rise of Filco in the west certainly helped to re-popularise it.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 03:53
by zslane
Engicoder wrote: It goes way back to early adding machines. The numeric cluster where the number 1 to 9 are in three throws with the 0 at the bottom has long been called a "Ten key". http://retrocalculators.com/sundstrand.htm
Hmm. You're probably right. It doesn't make any sense--whomever first put "TKL" on a keyboard model knew full well they weren't making ancient adding machines--but marketing names don't always make sense, I suppose.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 11:33
by sth
numpads have long been referred to as 'tenkeys', at least in the USA.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 11:42
by seebart
webwit wrote: Diatec for the Filco Majestouch.
Would not suprise me at all. Marketing. Older "tenkeyless" keyboards like the SIIG Minitouch were not called that. Even way way before that I'm sure that term did not exist, I own a "tenkeyless" keyboard from 1976.

Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 11:48
by Khers
seebart wrote:
webwit wrote: Diatec for the Filco Majestouch.
Would not suprise me at all. Marketing. Older "tenkeyless" keyboards like the SIIG Minitouch were not called that. Even way way before that I'm sure that term did not exist, I own a "tenkeyless" keyboard from 1976.
I wouldn't be surprised either, but I kind of like the phrase. In fact much better than the one IBM chose for theirs.

Posted: 13 Aug 2015, 21:17
by Muirium
Yeah, I also like SSK but it's a bit vague. "Space saving keyboard" says what it achieves, but not how. Tenkeyless is good and direct. You've got to be a real, card carrying, pedant not to understand it instantly. And it sounds sharper than Numpadless, or Wristsaver too.


@Engicoder: Where's the reference to tenkey in your link? I don't doubt you guys called it that. Over here I suspect they'd just be dull and call them calculators, or worse: tabulators!

Posted: 13 Aug 2015, 22:08
by romevi
I agree that TKL sounds the best when spoken and thought, so I'm sure that's why it caught on.