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Ever seen IBM Model M key caps with upper AND lowercase letters?

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 03:24
by snuci
I purchased an interesting set of key caps from a seller on eBay and was wondering if anyone has ever seen IBM key caps with both uppercase and lower case on them? If so, what are they used for? They don't appear to be for any special language but it's hard to question the authenticity of them being from IBM. The box has a copyright date of 1986 so the could be from the late 80's. I assume that in "the day", there were other sets like this that could be purchased?

I requested permission of the seller to use their pics (along with requesting any more info they could give me on these key caps) but haven't heard back. For now, please check out the auction for pics.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272077109023

I'm really not sure how these would look but they were interesting. Any info is much appreciated.

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 03:45
by terrycherry
That's rare and excellent found keycaps with the original box.
I don't know. Never seen this special layout.

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 12:51
by snuci
Thanks for the reply Terrycherry.

I guess nobody else has seen these or any key caps that IBM sold? I've done some serious searching and haven't turned up anything.

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 17:14
by XMIT
Fascinating! Do you know who purchased these? These are SSK caps - check out the front num pad printing!

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 17:34
by snuci
XMIT wrote: Fascinating! Do you know who purchased these? These are SSK caps - check out the front num pad printing!
I bought them. You are right. I did see that but didn't put it together. I checked my SSK at work and my SSK has one piece key caps. I'll have to switch the stems for some pics (if that will work) :)

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 18:23
by Halvar
Very strange and interesting caps ... who would need something like that? Language seems to be Spanish, with the ¿¡ñÑ caps...

I'd like to know the story behind these...

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 21:04
by snuci
Well, the seller bought these at an Estate sale so that's a dead end. They are also on their way so I'll take some better pics when I get them.

Spanish does make sense but then the modifiers would be in the set, I would imagine (being is Spanish) but it looks like the three trays are the only things that fit in that box. I'll know in a couple of weeks when I get them, I guess.

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 21:26
by mashby
I can't wait to see your photos. So glad someone here purchased them!

Posted: 15 Dec 2015, 21:48
by hypkx
Really nice find, reminds me of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1351710-BLANK-I ... SwPcVVt843

Posted: 16 Dec 2015, 13:03
by snuci
Thanks for pointing that out hyphx. I remember seeing a similar box somewhere and must have seen this auction at some point because I couldn't figure out why anyone would want blank key caps. That was why I figured these sets were available and why someone here must know about them.

Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 13:56
by snuci
As mentioned, my current SSK is a blue logo version that has 1 piece key caps. Last night, I was fortunate enough to find an IBM SSK (black logo) with two piece removable key caps. I ended up buying two SSKs actually, through some strange combination of a "Best offer" auction before a second "Buy It now" auction minutes later from the same seller. The seller wanted me to have the second one to save shipping hassles I guess. Now I'll have something to put these key caps on for pictures when they arrive :)

Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 16:47
by snuci
Well, here are some pics of the key caps on an IBM Model M SSK keyboard. Looks pretty cool:
IBM Model M SSK with Upper/Lower case key caps
IBM Model M SSK with Upper/Lower case key caps
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower.JPG (371.89 KiB) Viewed 10059 times
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower - side.JPG
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower - side.JPG (283.79 KiB) Viewed 10059 times
Close Up
Close Up
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower - side 2.JPG (222.21 KiB) Viewed 10059 times
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower - profile.JPG
IBM Model M SSK Upper Lower - profile.JPG (380.1 KiB) Viewed 10059 times

Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 17:20
by Redmaus
That is quite a find. I have never seen caps like those.

Nice job. I'm jelly. 8-)

Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 19:00
by snoopy
Interesting set. If you find another one, send them to me. :mrgreen:

Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 19:16
by jerue
Those look fantastic on the SSK.

And I thought my Displaywrite caps were something special... :lol:

Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 19:43
by Muirium
Interesting. Not quite my style, but looking at those SSK shots is making me nostalgic for mine. I only brought my HHKB out here to America with me! <sniff>

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 00:23
by bocahgundul
Interesting thats a really cool keycaps. Somebody will pay a lot of money to get one of those. Nice find bro

Re: Ever seen IBM Model M key caps with upper AND lowercase letters?

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 09:42
by maxmalkav
Indeed is an attempt to map ISO Spanish layout on ANSI with a couple of omissions (°, ç, <> and one weird point only used to write Catalonian)

Re: Ever seen IBM Model M key caps with upper AND lowercase letters?

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 14:13
by pcaro
The best keycaps I never saw! It fill my main keyboard usage. English for programing or forums and spanish for writting (with a shortcut for language change)

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 14:51
by ramnes
Awesome find snuci!

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 17:36
by snuci
Thanks for the comments. I put a quick blog entry on my site here: http://vintagecomputer.ca/ibm-model-m-s ... y-cap-set/

I also posted on Reddit so let's see if anyone knows any information about them. I'll post back if I learn anything about these.

Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 15:30
by depletedvespene
I've just found this thread (after a mention on keyboards-f2/list-of-all-known-ssk-keyc ... 17185.html), and this is the information that I can offer:

1) The blue legends clearly correspond to the "Spanish (Latin America)" layout (distinct from the "Spanish (Spain)" layout).

2) The set seems to be incomplete — it should also contain the following keys:
- A «~ `» key with "° |" (degree, pipe) printed in blue.
- A «6» key with an "&" (ampersand) printed in blue.
- A «" '» key with "[ {" printed in blue.
- A 1.5U «| \» with "] }" printed in blue.

It's not clear whether this set ever included these keys or not. The mystery deepens when taking into account a couple extra oddities:

- The «Q» key could have had the @ sign front-printed in blue (as the ES(LA) layout assigns said sign to AltGr-Q).
- The «} ]» key adds "* ~" in blue, but... in the ES(LA) layout, that key has the + (plus) sign in the unshifted state, and the ~ (tilde) sign available through AltGr.

Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 16:48
by snuci
Thanks for the reply. It's definitely an odd set and all searches on the IBM part number return nothing. I'm still also not clear on why they made it but it is pretty cool.

Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 16:52
by depletedvespene
snuci wrote: I'm still also not clear on why they made it but it is pretty cool.
I would venture to guess that this was for the benefit of people in Latin American countries where ANSI keyboards were common.

Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 16:55
by depletedvespene
... come to think of it, this implies that SSKs would have sold well enough, at least in some countries, to justify the production of this alternative keycap set (and what about other languages??).