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Cherry, Matias, Gateron, or Zealios switches
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 13:33
by habitullence
Please help... My current favourite is Topre

Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 14:07
by Chyros
Uhhh, what is the question exactly?? XD
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 15:05
by habitullence
Out of Cherry, Matias, Gateron, or Zealios which is the most similar to Topre, specifically 45g.. If any?

Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 15:43
by Matt_
Jailhouse Blues.
High tactile point, sharp drop once you pass it. Adjust spring strength to your liking. Obviously not the same as Topre — but it would be a mistake to try to find that Topre feel in any other kind of switch anyway. Try them for the sake of experiment, or try something completely different altogether, because you never know what you might like.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 16:32
by habitullence
Sage advice Matt. I've had blues before, from memory they're quite a bit sharper/crisper than Topre. If I'm not getting a Topre, I think the Zealios purple tactile might be worth a shot.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 17:17
by Matt_
I was specifically referring to jailhouse Blues :
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45992.0
So unlike "regular" Blues which you have tried, jailhouse Blues are not clicky but quite a bit more tactile, with a bump coming earlier than with Clears for example. It's a fairly labour-intensive mod but I found it to be much more pleasant than stock tactile MX switches (I have yet to build a full keyboard with these, though). I have no idea how they compare against tactile Zealios.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 17:46
by habitullence
Sounds like a lot of work but an intriguing option.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 19:22
by Muirium
Which is more like steak: bananas, tomatoes or lemons?
Correct answer: steak.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 19:34
by Matt_
But what about steak-flavoured bananas ?
... yeah, you're right. Steak it is.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 19:50
by codemonkeymike
Well both Tomatoes and Steak share the Umami taste. So Tomatoes.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 20:21
by Muirium
You can tell you're in switch modding crazytown when tomatoes become steak!
It's exactly the same with keyboards. There are no modular keyswitches (MX, Gaterons, Alps, or anything else) that are like Topre. The same applies with buckling spring. Some things you just can't make by cobbling other things together.
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 20:37
by Chyros
Muirium wrote: You can tell you're in switch modding crazytown when tomatoes become steak!
I actually laughed out loud at that xD .
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 20:39
by Muirium
Have you tried out steak yet, Chyros? Sorry, I mean tomatoes?
Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 20:49
by Chyros
Muirium wrote: Have you tried out steak yet, Chyros? Sorry, I mean tomatoes?
I know tomatoes aren't steak

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Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 21:27
by Matt_
Muirium wrote: You can tell you're in switch modding crazytown when tomatoes become steak!
It's exactly the same with keyboards. There are no modular keyswitches (MX, Gaterons, Alps, or anything else) that are like Topre. The same applies with buckling spring. Some things you just can't make by cobbling other things together.
We all agree on that. But he didn't ask for the same, only for the most similar. Once the mandatory warning has been stated ("it would be a mistake to try to find that Topre feel in any other kind of switch anyway") maybe we can still discuss and see which MX switch may suit him in a way or another.
Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 11:10
by habitullence
What kind of steak? Sometimes you can't get fillet but the sirloin might be pretty damn tasty.
To echo what Matt said.. In my current buying situation Topre, my current fav, isn't available. I know that none of the MX switches really compare, although I've heard comparisons drawn between modded clears so I'm looking closely at the Zealios switches. If anyone has experience with these and Topre, I'd be very interested to hear from them.
Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 13:52
by Laser
While different, the closest to Topre for me is a TKL Ducky keyboard that is modded in the following way:
- MX Brown switches
- custom springs (65g)
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trampoline mod (using a thin rubber band and a leather hole punch tool) so the bottoming is soft and silent
- tall keycaps (OEM profile); mines are POM
The idea is to soften the bottoming, have some/enough tactility, but not too much (hence the Browns) and also choose a spring that makes the pressing neither too easy, nor too hard. The tall keycaps help with the tactility; I don't know why, but it helps with the "toggling" process (I don't know how to explain) - it's easier to feel when the key is up, or down.
Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 13:38
by shreebles
I agree, tall (OEM) caps seem to work better on Browns.
Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 15:43
by Redmaus
Have you ever tried buckling spring?