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Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 11 Mar 2022, 19:23
by The Laptop Lagger
Dear reader
Don't read this
Much love, The Laptop Lagger



Right,
This board has been my daily driver for a wee bit now and, I think I've come to a conclusion regarding Clicky Matias switches.

As a typing switch I love these, the tactile feedback is nice and their weighting feels light but not overly eager like some gaming boards.
The layout itself is less my thing however, whilst I typically appreciate 75% style boards, preferring them over typical TKL, I find this board to be some weird hybrid between normal TKL and 75%. Rather than squishing more keys onto a smaller service by omitting certain blank spaces, like 75% does, this board just omits certain keys, putting them behind a modifier instead.
This means that the layout itself, whilst maybe more familiar to most than 75%, sits in this weird uncanny valley for me.
Rather than "Best of both worlds" it seems more like a "worst of both". Being wider than my 75% counterparts but with less features.

At least the F-keys aren't behind a modifier! I hate it when board do that. What? They are??
Yep, this board, on Linux, prioritises the shortcuts over the F-keys. So Alt+F4 because Alt+FN+F4.
I utterly hate it!
This is my main issue with 60% boards and many laptops. Maybe that layout works better for Mac users but I personally rely on my F keys a lot and it throws me off every time I have to use them.

Further more, I'm a pretty aggressive typist. I strike my keys with a certain degree of certainty. So take this next bit with a grain of salt.
But I personally notice this board sliding across my desk and away from my fingertips way too quickly! It just doesn't like to stay in one place. It slides around far too easily. Whilst the weight isn't even that light I personally assume it's due to the fact that it rests directly on plastic feet, rather than rubber pads. The front 2 pads are rubber, the rear 2 feet are not. And even with them retracted the board rests on the side of the feet rather than on secondary rubber pads. This makes it way too prone to sliding.
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Beyond that, the detachable cable is nice, even though Micro USB is the spawn of the devil I understand that it would've been either this or something proprietary given the original release date of this keyboard.
The built in USB hub, though obviously limited in sue, is a GODSEND.
It is simply the only reason I use this keyboard at all.
Unlike many modern gaming boards the USB ports on this Matias are a "Hub" rather than direct passthrough.
This has it's own benefits and drawbacks. The main benefit being that it all goes through a single cable. The main drawback being that it all goes through a single cable, this means that it is limited in power and bandwidth to whatever that MicroUSB cable manages to provide. Amazing if you're lacking for USB ports, or prefer to only have a single thin cable. Less ideal if you've got USB ports to spare and would rather enjoy full bandwidth for each port on the keyboard.

Overall build feels... modern? With all the pro's and cons that come with that. It's plastic fantastic and not much else. But it doesn't feel excessively lightweight or flimsy.
Though I personally find the moulding to be less than optimal, especially around the USB ports it feels quite sharpand unrefined. Same goes for the plug on the included cable.

So, now we're two posts in, how do I actually feel about this board?
It's... fine.
It has no real significant issues. The switches are nice to use and entirely functional. And everything mentioned above was a pet peeve at worst.
I do however think that due to their rarer nature these boards can often fetch a premium depending on your market. And I think that when comparing this to other second hand board in the "€50" range it sorta falls flat.

Anyway,
Thank you for reading another overly lengthy post about a keyboard nobody cares about. Have a good one!
Cheers.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 11 Mar 2022, 20:28
by hellothere
Told not to read. Didn't.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 11 Mar 2022, 21:24
by The Laptop Lagger
hellothere wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 20:28 Told not to read. Didn't.
Well done

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 12 Mar 2022, 00:14
by LambdaCore
I actually still get a lot of use out of my Matias board, there are a few things I love about it that almost make me regret not getting a quiet click as the space bar is the quietest I've heard... it's just a shame the actual key sound is a far cry from genuine white alps, on par with T1 clones at best but the sound is a tad rattly for my taste - sure if you came in from MX Blues it'd seem like one of the better clicky switches, but it kinda falls flat compared to complicated white alps which aren't particularly hard to come by, if you're patient you could end up with one under 50 bucks including shipping (like I did!) meanwhile Matias boards are a bit underwhelming for their MSRP and in the used market you're likely paying 50+ and that's not including shipping.

Again, though, I really want to try out their quiet click switches as from what I've heard the chattering issue is more a firmware issue than anything, too sensitive, so that could theoretically be solved with software and my biggest issue with their clicky switches is the sound, the feel is incredible and after using them awhile I'd say I like them as much as complicated white alps, albeit for different reasons (SKCM White Alps have a smoother key feel while Matias have more of a noticeable bump, which ever you prefer is up to preference however) and the NKRO combined with the small form factor using a layout far superior to the common ten keyless if you ask me make it a fantastic gaming keyboard and is my go to for gaming even still as I type this with my wonderful FK-2001 with great condition white alps, I still have my Matias Tactile Pro at the ready whenever I wanna play a game. The Matias board DOES have to compete with my SMK 2nd gen Laser board, however that's much larger and too much of a hassle if I already have my FK-2001 out for typing.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 12 Mar 2022, 17:08
by Muirium
LambdaCore wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 00:14 … from what I've heard the chattering issue is more a firmware issue than anything, too sensitive, so that could theoretically be solved with software
Whose software? Nothing running outside of the keyboard could do anything about it, far as I know. That's the daaaarstardly thing about chaaattttrerr: it's a bad call. Besides for using a spelling dictionary like autocorrect systems (don’t we all just love those!) there's no way to glean what was intended from a dirty data stream.

Good to hear OP's not having any chatter issues, though. Almost surprising! I'd never say that about any keyboard other than a Matias. They earned that sorry reputation.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 12 Mar 2022, 21:48
by The Laptop Lagger
Muirium wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 17:08
LambdaCore wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 00:14 … from what I've heard the chattering issue is more a firmware issue than anything, too sensitive, so that could theoretically be solved with software
Whose software? Nothing running outside of the keyboard could do anything about it, far as I know. That's the daaaarstardly thing about chaaattttrerr: it's a bad call. Besides for using a spelling dictionary like autocorrect systems (don’t we all just love those!) there's no way to glean what was intended from a dirty data stream.

Good to hear OP's not having any chatter issues, though. Almost surprising! I'd never say that about any keyboard other than a Matias. They earned that sorry reputation.
Neither of my 2 Matiases chattered even slightly.
Only time I've ever had any chatter was on the A key of my AAAAEKII.
Fixed that by yeeting some contact cleaner (read: WD-40) into it. Never been an issue since.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 12 Mar 2022, 21:51
by The Laptop Lagger
LambdaCore wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 00:14 ,,,small form factor using a layout far superior to the common ten keyless if you ask me,,,
I personally prefer it to standard TKL, I however do prefer 75% over it, there's just too much blank space for me to truly consider it a proper compact board.
Though I may have been slightly spoiled in this due to the Cherry G84-4100 which is tinier than tiny.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 13 Mar 2022, 01:31
by LambdaCore
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 21:48
Muirium wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 17:08
LambdaCore wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 00:14 … from what I've heard the chattering issue is more a firmware issue than anything, too sensitive, so that could theoretically be solved with software
Whose software? Nothing running outside of the keyboard could do anything about it, far as I know. That's the daaaarstardly thing about chaaattttrerr: it's a bad call. Besides for using a spelling dictionary like autocorrect systems (don’t we all just love those!) there's no way to glean what was intended from a dirty data stream.

Good to hear OP's not having any chatter issues, though. Almost surprising! I'd never say that about any keyboard other than a Matias. They earned that sorry reputation.
Neither of my 2 Matiases chattered even slightly.
Only time I've ever had any chatter was on the A key of my AAAAEKII.
Fixed that by yeeting some contact cleaner (read: WD-40) into it. Never been an issue since.
oh? Which Matias boards? I was somewhat considering getting the quieter boards, if they're any good I might go for it

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 13 Mar 2022, 03:48
by thefarside
Nice write-up The Laptop Lagger! Based on what you wrote i think you’d like a big, heavy old school Alps keyboard. You won’t get a smaller layout, but it’ll stay put and sound and feel great. Omni Key 101, 102 or Apple M0115 would be great options. Another option would be a Matias Tactile Pro, which is a nice board, but won’t be as heavy and nice as the old school alps boards, but will work 100% out of the box and not need any restoration. I like mine but ultimately returned it and decided to go the vintage route.

The Matias click and quiet click are nice switches. I’m putting some quiet clicks in a Focus FK-2001 and found them to be a nice alps option.

Are you going to stick with the FK303 or switch to something else?

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 13 Mar 2022, 09:45
by Muirium
AlpsThority recommends Alps!

I recommend a cute little Monterey board. Something compact enough it’ll sneak right on up to that G84 and blow it out the water!

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 13 Mar 2022, 19:42
by The Laptop Lagger
LambdaCore wrote: 13 Mar 2022, 01:31
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 21:48
Muirium wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 17:08

Whose software? Nothing running outside of the keyboard could do anything about it, far as I know. That's the daaaarstardly thing about chaaattttrerr: it's a bad call. Besides for using a spelling dictionary like autocorrect systems (don’t we all just love those!) there's no way to glean what was intended from a dirty data stream.

Good to hear OP's not having any chatter issues, though. Almost surprising! I'd never say that about any keyboard other than a Matias. They earned that sorry reputation.
Neither of my 2 Matiases chattered even slightly.
Only time I've ever had any chatter was on the A key of my AAAAEKII.
Fixed that by yeeting some contact cleaner (read: WD-40) into it. Never been an issue since.
oh? Which Matias boards? I was somewhat considering getting the quieter boards, if they're any good I might go for it
I've had the wired FK303 with the Clicky switches
And a wireless one with "Quiet Click" switches, their damped tactile switch, a followup to Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
I personally found the latter too mushy for me but others really like it, preferring it to the Alps switch even. (notably Chyrosran22 said he preferred it to the cream damped)

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 13 Mar 2022, 19:45
by The Laptop Lagger
thefarside wrote: 13 Mar 2022, 03:48 Nice write-up The Laptop Lagger! Based on what you wrote i think you’d like a big, heavy old school Alps keyboard. You won’t get a smaller layout, but it’ll stay put and sound and feel great. Omni Key 101, 102 or Apple M0115 would be great options. Another option would be a Matias Tactile Pro, which is a nice board, but won’t be as heavy and nice as the old school alps boards, but will work 100% out of the box and not need any restoration. I like mine but ultimately returned it and decided to go the vintage route.

The Matias click and quiet click are nice switches. I’m putting some quiet clicks in a Focus FK-2001 and found them to be a nice alps option.

Are you going to stick with the FK303 or switch to something else?
I've switched back to my NMB Space Invader board (RT8756) for now but I switch between keyboards on a very regular basis.

My two "main" boards are a Dell AT101W (Alps Black) and an Apple AEKII (Cream Damped Alps). Still intend to get my Toshiba T1500 (Alps SKCL Green) working with a more modern computer.
Safe to say I really do like Alps switches!

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 15 Mar 2022, 20:11
by LambdaCore
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 13 Mar 2022, 19:42
LambdaCore wrote: 13 Mar 2022, 01:31
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 12 Mar 2022, 21:48

Neither of my 2 Matiases chattered even slightly.
Only time I've ever had any chatter was on the A key of my AAAAEKII.
Fixed that by yeeting some contact cleaner (read: WD-40) into it. Never been an issue since.
oh? Which Matias boards? I was somewhat considering getting the quieter boards, if they're any good I might go for it
I've had the wired FK303 with the Clicky switches
And a wireless one with "Quiet Click" switches, their damped tactile switch, a followup to Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
I personally found the latter too mushy for me but others really like it, preferring it to the Alps switch even. (notably Chyrosran22 said he preferred it to the cream damped)
I'll have to nab one then if I find one at a good price

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 15 Mar 2022, 22:22
by Bjerrk
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 13 Mar 2022, 19:42 I personally found the latter too mushy for me but others really like it, preferring it to the Alps switch even. (notably Chyrosran22 said he preferred it to the cream damped)
That's a surprise! I found the keyfeel quite odd - somehow the rubber dampers impart an almost scratchy feeling. But I really want to like them.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 18 Mar 2022, 04:10
by apastuszak
Any issues I have had with Matias chatter was fixed by simply clicking on the key repeatedly 20-30 times. Then the key typed normally and didn't give me any issues.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 18 Mar 2022, 14:45
by SK-8K
The chatter was likey caused by too much lubricant. Early Durock T1s had a similar issue.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 28 Mar 2022, 12:52
by The Laptop Lagger
(Sorry for the Necro bump I've been offline for a bit)
On my alps keyboards I've always fixed chatter by spraying in a wee bit of contact cleaner, but that only works with older boards which might suffer from surface level oxidisation.

Re: Thoughts on the Matias FK303

Posted: 29 Mar 2022, 01:39
by hellothere
apastuszak wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 04:10 Any issues I have had with Matias chatter was fixed by simply clicking on the key repeatedly 20-30 times. Then the key typed normally and didn't give me any issues.
The Laptop Lagger wrote: 28 Mar 2022, 12:52 (Sorry for the Necro bump I've been offline for a bit)
On my alps keyboards I've always fixed chatter by spraying in a wee bit of contact cleaner, but that only works with older boards which might suffer from surface level oxidisation.
Spamming the keys not only did doing this fix a couple keys on my well-used laptop pro, it also worked for two or three switches on an Omron KB I have. So, new troubleshooting step is to spam the key that's not working right.