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I haven't tried browns before, but I would think it would be the closest feeling to topres because it has tactile and it's light. Could anyone confirm if this is the case, or not?

Thanks

Not really. Topre 45g and 55g feel nothing like Cherry MX Brown as the tactile event is much more noticeable on the Topres. Closest you would get would be Topre 30g which I guess have a similar weak tactile point but in my opinion they aren't as scratchy as MX browns.

If I were to go for a Cherry switch would you say browns would be the closest thing? I'm using Cherry blacks and I'm not adjusting to it very well.

My experiences with the Cherry MX switch doesn't go beyond Blue, Red and Brown. Red/Brown are similar to Topre 30g and Blue is really nothing like any Topre switch. Oddly enough, Blue is my favourite of the three despite being a Topre fanatic

Unfortunately, the only way for you to know what you like is going to be to try the switches yourself. Welcome to the enthusiast world; prepare your wallet.

Imho what gets closest to Topres are Ergo Clears. A soft but strong tactile bump with a light spring.

maybe "Ergo Clears" are nearest Topre : more tactile bump from MX Clear and a light spring from a Brown/Blue/Red.

but as 002 said, you should test the one it fits to you.

RC-1140 wrote:Imho what gets closest to Topres are Ergo Clears. A soft but strong tactile bump with a light spring.

Yeah I read about those being the closest, but the keyboard I want only come in cherries.

002 wrote:My experiences with the Cherry MX switch doesn't go beyond Blue, Red and Brown. Red/Brown are similar to Topre 30g and Blue is really nothing like any Topre switch. Oddly enough, Blue is my favourite of the three despite being a Topre fanatic

Unfortunately, the only way for you to know what you like is going to be to try the switches yourself. Welcome to the enthusiast world; prepare your wallet.

How strong is the tactile would you say is on the Browns in comparison to Topres?

Between the reds and the browns, which one would you say is louder of the two?

Vierax wrote:maybe "Ergo Clears" are nearest Topre : more tactile bump from MX Clear and a light spring from a Brown/Blue/Red.

but as 002 said, you should test the one it fits to you.

I wish I had a brown or red I could try out. My best guess is that the brown is likely the one.

RC-1140 answered before me

I was surprised when I tried MX Clears : after a rubber dome, I can't imagine that they are the hardest MX and if I bought a MX Brown keyboard, I probably never have the idea to test the hardest MX Clears. So be curious and give you the opportunity to choose : there are worldwide rounds organized in the market place, just take a look.

I just have to say that there is no cherry switch that is even close to the feeling of a topre switch. They are apples and potatoes!

I've tried all cherry switches (except switches like super gray and such) and as I said, nothing is close to topre.

huttala wrote:I just have to say that there is no cherry switch that is even close to the feeling of a topre switch. They are apples and potatoes!

Like the French would say, les pommes and les pommes de terre.

Personally, I would not call Topre switches tactile in the same way as mechanical switches can be tactile. A Topre switch has a bump in its resistance, but only like any other rubber dome switch. Topre is missing the point, missing the actuation point, in fact. There is no correlation between a bump or dip in resistance with the actual actuation point.

Findecanor wrote:Personally, I would not call Topre switches tactile in the same way as mechanical switches can be tactile. A Topre switch has a bump in its resistance, but only like any other rubber dome switch. Topre is missing the point, missing the actuation point, in fact. There is no correlation between a bump or dip in resistance with the actual actuation point.

QFT.

Thanks for all the input guys! The keyboard I want only comes in cherry switches and the only keyboard I've had is a topre. So that's the only reference I could relate to.

Findecanor wrote: Personally, I would not call Topre switches tactile in the same way as mechanical switches can be tactile. A Topre switch has a bump in its resistance, but only like any other rubber dome switch. Topre is missing the point, missing the actuation point, in fact. There is no correlation between a bump or dip in resistance with the actual actuation point.

This isn't true. I'm typing on a Realforce right now. I can confirm that the actuation of the keys corresponds very, very closely with the tactile breakdown of the rubber dome.

metalliqaz wrote:This isn't true. I'm typing on a Realforce right now. I can confirm that the actuation of the keys corresponds very, very closely with the tactile breakdown of the rubber dome.

QFT.

metalliqaz wrote:

Findecanor wrote: Personally, I would not call Topre switches tactile in the same way as mechanical switches can be tactile. A Topre switch has a bump in its resistance, but only like any other rubber dome switch. Topre is missing the point, missing the actuation point, in fact. There is no correlation between a bump or dip in resistance with the actual actuation point.

This isn't true. I'm typing on a Realforce right now. I can confirm that the actuation of the keys corresponds very, very closely with the tactile breakdown of the rubber dome.

Could you say, also, the tactile of a brown feels similar to topre?

naisanza wrote:Could you say, also, the tactile of a brown feels similar to topre?

Nothing like it.

Browns are closest to reds. Red is light and linear; brown is almost the same, except it has a little rough spot in the travel close to actuation.

(Edit: brevity.)

urbanus wrote:

naisanza wrote:Could you say, also, the tactile of a brown feels similar to topre?

Nothing like it.

Browns are closest to reds. Red is light and linear; brown is almost the same, except it has a little rough spot in the travel close to actuation.

(Edit: brevity.)

I've been looking for a more visual description of what the tactile feels like on a brown. The keyboard I want is sold out of its browns, unfortunately . So, I'll probably be getting the reds.

I can only repeat myself: Ergo Clears are the way to go, if you want the Cherry switches which are most similar to Topres. Only problem is, that it requires additional Cherry MX Clears and modding. You might also want to try unmodded Cherry MX Clears.

Browns feel nothing at all like Topre. I own both. The "feel" of browns is honestly not very pleasing. When you touch type fast, they feel just like reds. When you concentrate on the actuation, they feel like there is a little scratchy bump on the stem (which is true)

Browns are nice. I would recocomend them with O-rings. I would also recomend blues. Though they are a pain at first, they area great board to train and type on. Helps improve accuracy and fingerstrengtj, moreso than browns. Maybe you could give your blacks some time to get used to.. I am thinking of switching from blues to a heavier switch myself.

Once I get used to the most heavy switch I will start back on browns tjen make my way back up. Lol.

RC-1140 wrote:I can only repeat myself: Ergo Clears are the way to go, if you want the Cherry switches which are most similar to Topres. Only problem is, that it requires additional Cherry MX Clears and modding. You might also want to try unmodded Cherry MX Clears.

Let's hope Cherry really do start making these. My only concern is that, in addition to the fears about them sticking (which may just be worn springs, but even so, it's a reduction in longevity), there's no consensus here about whether we want 45 cN springs, 50 cN springs, or even higher (all the way up to those Korean 62 cN springs). Is Cherry supposed to pick something at random? Does it even make a difference? We're not quite clear and compelling enough yet, although the Cherry rep here is taking the overall idea seriously now, which is great.

Otherwise, the problem with ergo clears is that you just can't actually buy a keyboard with them. I certainly wouldn't try to mod a brand new Filco — that would only lead to disaster!

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:[...]there's no consensus here about whether we want 45 cN springs, 50 cN springs, or even higher (all the way up to those Korean 62 cN springs).

The 62cN is not actuation force, it's the bottoming out force.
I never tried them before, though. But people say, they really feel similar to ErgoClears with normal Blue/Brown/Red spring, but after the actuation it gets "exponential" harder to press. This is exactly to prevent ErgoClears from sticking.

That's what I heard.

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:Otherwise, the problem with clears is that you just can't actually buy a keyboard with them. I certainly wouldn't try to mod a brand new Filco — that would only lead to disaster!

That's not true : I'm typing on my G80-3000 LQCDE a native MX Clears PCB mounted.
I just have to order a German one because french layout seems to be only sold with linear switches.

Argh, did I really quote my whole post instead of edit it? Padded cell cannot be far away now … mmmmmmmm …

Yeah I meant ergo clears — I have a G80-3000LQCDE-2 myself. Post corrected.

Yeah sorry I didn't notice that we have the same I had a doubt when I write the last post and you confirm that I misunderstood.