Split ergonomic keyboard project

You are talking about a new version with trackpoint. Is the version you are talking about the beta/final version or will this be the next split keyboard you'll do AFTER ergodox?

I'm almost definitively in, unless price is really really too much. But I wonder, is the way you are planning to do the housing (multiple layers) really the best way to go? :o. I have no idea myself, it's just something you rarely see in the products you find on the market, so I was a bit surprised. Also, wouldn't make this building method the ergodox harder to mod/hack?

Also, will it be possible to use different material/colors for each layer ? :D.
Djuzuh

Unread post07 Jul 2012, 15:03

X
Djuzuh
 
Posts: 429
Joined: 12 Mar 2012, 16:15
Location: France
DT Pro Member: -
 
As far as I know, Dox is using a normal shapeways plastic housing, at least for the prototypes.

The proposed housing isn't so "new". Designs incorporating steel laminations are relatively common. Look at all the transformers. Applying it to a case design would be relatively easy.

Painting the plates before assembly should be possible, but I imagine using a "thin" paint would work out better. If they are aluminium, anodyzing is probably the best option.

Doing the case in this laminated way has the bonus of being able to get the mounting plate and case made by the same people (for a volume discount, we hope) and has the added advantage of more inexpensive water-cut metal. Personally, I'm not certain that the screws will be able to thread onto something that narrow, but I have no qualms just bolting it together (all the way through)

If we are going with water cut, we can consider combining identical plates into a thicker piece. Many water cutters are beefy enough to go through.
dorkvader
User avatar

Unread post07 Jul 2012, 17:09

User avatar
X
dorkvader
 
Posts: 332
Joined: 30 Jun 2012, 06:35
Main keyboard: Unicomp
Main mouse: CST 1550
Favorite switch: Buckling Spring over Capacitave. (Model F)
DT Pro Member: -
 
Was the prototype up and running before GH went down?
Jim66
User avatar

Unread post07 Jul 2012, 21:20

User avatar
X
Jim66
 
Posts: 761
Joined: 10 May 2011, 15:35
Location: Bristol, UK
Main keyboard: MacBook Pro
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
I believe so, yes. Once Dox reversed the scan in the firmware (to account for backwards diodes), I am pretty sure he made a post using his ergoDOX and tab keys.

Does anyone know Shapeways' turn around time?
dorkvader
User avatar

Unread post08 Jul 2012, 05:53

User avatar
X
dorkvader
 
Posts: 332
Joined: 30 Jun 2012, 06:35
Main keyboard: Unicomp
Main mouse: CST 1550
Favorite switch: Buckling Spring over Capacitave. (Model F)
DT Pro Member: -
 
I should get the case prototype from shapeways monday. I've been typing on the prototype pcbs for the past few weeks at home and work and I would never return to a regular keyboard.
dox

Unread post08 Jul 2012, 06:54

X
dox
 
Posts: 73
Joined: 17 Jul 2011, 22:30
Main keyboard: doxKB
Main mouse: G700
Favorite switch: ergo clear
DT Pro Member: -
 
That sounds awesome !

I'm more and more excited for this project, as time goes by.
Djuzuh

Unread post08 Jul 2012, 08:41

X
Djuzuh
 
Posts: 429
Joined: 12 Mar 2012, 16:15
Location: France
DT Pro Member: -
 
I'm still defo in for one. It's a great project.
Jim66
User avatar

Unread post08 Jul 2012, 12:38

User avatar
X
Jim66
 
Posts: 761
Joined: 10 May 2011, 15:35
Location: Bristol, UK
Main keyboard: MacBook Pro
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
Dorkvader, please add me to the list of people who'd like an *assembled keyboard*. Doing this myself would be a recipe for disaster, frustration and verbal aggression toward innocent bystanders...

Need to figure out my key preference before then.
Either Reds or Browns, or one keyboard for each.
Surger

Unread post09 Jul 2012, 16:51

X
Surger
 
Posts: 12
Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 11:29
Location: Netherlands
Main keyboard: Dual Tipro FREE 8x8
Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade / Logitech Marble
DT Pro Member: -
 
Pictures!
IMG_0399_1.jpg
IMG_0400_1.jpg
IMG_0401_1.jpg
IMG_0402_1.jpg
IMG_0405_1.jpg
IMG_0406_1.jpg
IMG_0407_1.jpg
IMG_0408_1.jpg
dox

Unread post09 Jul 2012, 23:23

X
dox
 
Posts: 73
Joined: 17 Jul 2011, 22:30
Main keyboard: doxKB
Main mouse: G700
Favorite switch: ergo clear
DT Pro Member: -
 
Oooh, that looks very nice!
webwit
User avatar
Wild Duck

Unread post09 Jul 2012, 23:24

User avatar
X
webwit
Wild Duck
 
Posts: 10319
Joined: 27 Jan 2011, 23:27
Location: The Netherlands
Main keyboard: HHKB Pro II
Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
DT Pro Member: 0000
 
 
Add my name to the "I want one list", please.

Thanks,
John
jcrouse

Unread post09 Jul 2012, 23:55

X
jcrouse
 
Posts: 117
Joined: 10 May 2012, 03:19
Location: Missouri, USA
Main keyboard: KMAC
Main mouse: Razer Deathadder 3500 Black Edition
DT Pro Member: -
 
Yeah, that shapeways case isn't half bad! I wonder if we can also do it in cermaic, though.

Of course the metal stack is the best option, but we need to find a place that can do it cheaply enough.

Looks excellent, DOX!

(List will be updated shortly)
dorkvader
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 04:18

User avatar
X
dorkvader
 
Posts: 332
Joined: 30 Jun 2012, 06:35
Main keyboard: Unicomp
Main mouse: CST 1550
Favorite switch: Buckling Spring over Capacitave. (Model F)
DT Pro Member: -
 
Thanks guys!
Ceramic is possible, as well as gold plated stainless steel.
shapeways.PNG
dox

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 04:58

X
dox
 
Posts: 73
Joined: 17 Jul 2011, 22:30
Main keyboard: doxKB
Main mouse: G700
Favorite switch: ergo clear
DT Pro Member: -
 
ooh.

Really like the glazed ceramic look.
hoggy

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 07:15

X
hoggy
 
Posts: 936
Joined: 04 Mar 2011, 13:35
Location: Isle of Man
Main keyboard: Kinesis Advantage
Main mouse: 3M Vertical
Favorite switch: MX Brown
DT Pro Member: 0009
 
hoggy wrote:ooh.

Really like the glazed ceramic look.

Yes. Yes. Yes... I can't believe how well the case has turned out.

I'm glad this thread has been carried on here, it would have been such a shame to lose this with GH.
Jim66
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 08:29

User avatar
X
Jim66
 
Posts: 761
Joined: 10 May 2011, 15:35
Location: Bristol, UK
Main keyboard: MacBook Pro
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
Does that mean the mass-produced version will be out soon?
forcefollow

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 09:26

X
forcefollow
 
Posts: 50
Joined: 28 Oct 2011, 17:08
Location: indonesia
Main keyboard: μtron
Favorite switch: topre 30g
DT Pro Member: -
 
Dox very well done, how do those cases discount with scale? 50 orders, 100 orders, does the price decrease by much?

I worry that glased ceramic may be a little brittle. The Alumide but polished may be a good compromise.
dirge
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 09:45

User avatar
X
dirge
 
Posts: 2033
Joined: 28 Jan 2012, 19:02
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom.
DT Pro Member: -
 
dirge wrote:Dox very well done, how do those cases discount with scale? 50 orders, 100 orders, does the price decrease by much?

I worry that glased ceramic may be a little brittle. The Alumide but polished may be a good compromise.

I believe we won't use this service for the alu case, this is just to make the prototype.
Djuzuh

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 09:47

X
Djuzuh
 
Posts: 429
Joined: 12 Mar 2012, 16:15
Location: France
DT Pro Member: -
 
Fair enough the price is pretty high. Just that Alumide/Polished looked pretty close to being a metal finish and wasn't too expensive. Would get these on desks sooner too ;)

But the prototype does confirm that his case design is spot on. Really is a stunning bit of work.
dirge
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 11:19

User avatar
X
dirge
 
Posts: 2033
Joined: 28 Jan 2012, 19:02
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom.
DT Pro Member: -
 
This prototype looks fantastic :P
guilleguillaume
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 11:28

User avatar
X
guilleguillaume
 
Posts: 726
Joined: 12 Mar 2011, 08:40
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Main keyboard: Kmac Mini
Main mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
I'd like to be added to the interested list please, this really is starting to look awesome.
HzFaq
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 11:40

User avatar
X
HzFaq
 
Posts: 1684
Joined: 16 Sep 2011, 13:23
Location: Windsor, UK
Main keyboard: Phantom
Main mouse: CST L-Trac
Favorite switch: MX Clears
DT Pro Member: -
 
This is indeed looking awesome! I thought about getting a kinesis advantage or wait for the ergodox, looks like I made the right decision in waiting!
bjarven

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 11:56

X
bjarven
 
Posts: 31
Joined: 27 Jun 2012, 12:07
Location: Linköping, Sweden
Main keyboard: Kinesis Advantage
Main mouse: Logitech MX1000
Favorite switch: MX Brown
DT Pro Member: -
 
dox, this is looking really nice!

Did you consider using one double sided board layout and simply flipping the board over for each side?
Depending on volume you could make a significant saving on the manufacturing costs of the boards that way.

I am not sure which CAD tool you are using but it should be pretty easy to load 2 different netlists in PCB (gEDA), perhaps not at the same time though :-P
pingbat

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 16:46

X
pingbat
 
Posts: 30
Joined: 24 May 2011, 22:20
Location: Germany
Main keyboard: Das U
Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
Favorite switch: Cherry Blue
DT Pro Member: -
 
Damn this might be already to late ... or even discussed before ... but why are there no holes on the sides of a switch like on the phantom project metal plates ? Would be a good feature for a switch change. Is there to less space for them? The switch separation distance looks pretty short.
Spharx
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 18:00

User avatar
X
Spharx
 
Posts: 225
Joined: 04 Mar 2011, 19:26
Location: Germany
Main keyboard: Leoplod FC200R
Main mouse: DeathAdder
Favorite switch: MX Brown
DT Pro Member: -
 
 
I've been discussing making the PCB flippable with DOX only a little. I think it should be done, I don't know his stand point any more. I understand if he wants to stay with the design as it is now not to delay the project any further. I have also made a very rough KiCAD setup as a proof of concept. That would need some more work though.
bpiphany

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 18:05

X
bpiphany
 
Posts: 393
Joined: 19 Mar 2011, 19:15
Location: Stockhom, Sweden
Main keyboard: Symmetric Stagger Board
Main mouse: Kinzu
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
So flipable PCB would that lower costs as it makes them all the same but also allow for people to use one board as a game controller for the left hand?
dirge
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 18:27

User avatar
X
dirge
 
Posts: 2033
Joined: 28 Jan 2012, 19:02
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom.
DT Pro Member: -
 
Uhhm....I'll take one prototype please.
Icarium
User avatar

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 18:27

User avatar
X
Icarium
 
Posts: 1638
Joined: 11 Jan 2012, 16:22
Location: Germany
Main keyboard: These fields just
Main mouse: opened my eyes
Favorite switch: I need to bring stuff to work
DT Pro Member: -
 
Making the PCB flippable is quite straight forward. It would require two jumpers to connect ground and +5v correctly, but that is all I think. Benefits from having a flippable PCB
  • Lower costs since all the PCBs are the same (price decrease settles at higher numbers so this would be most important in low numbers)
  • Easier sorting and handling
  • Each one could choose to have the USB cable coming out of the left or right part (not very important probably)
  • A single PCB could be used to make either a left or right hand only keyboard (with a non-flippable PCB only a right hand keyboard is possible).
bpiphany

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 19:36

X
bpiphany
 
Posts: 393
Joined: 19 Mar 2011, 19:15
Location: Stockhom, Sweden
Main keyboard: Symmetric Stagger Board
Main mouse: Kinzu
Favorite switch: Topre
DT Pro Member: -
 
Quickly thinking about it you might not even need that jumper. If you use the USB for power, any LEDs could just be installed backwards if needs be.

I completely understand the position of not wanting to change too much now. Perhaps for v2? The idea of PS2 is also intriguing.
pingbat

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 19:59

X
pingbat
 
Posts: 30
Joined: 24 May 2011, 22:20
Location: Germany
Main keyboard: Das U
Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
Favorite switch: Cherry Blue
DT Pro Member: -
 
Is the whole thing charlieplexed? Looks like the plug for the second board is just a headphone jack. Are you using 1 Wire and a 3 pin jack or i2c and a 4 pin jack?

I definitely want one!
pingbat

Unread post10 Jul 2012, 20:18

X
pingbat
 
Posts: 30
Joined: 24 May 2011, 22:20
Location: Germany
Main keyboard: Das U
Main mouse: Steelseries Sensei
Favorite switch: Cherry Blue
DT Pro Member: -
 
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Noobmaen, pansku, pixelatedvolume, Sangdrax, snacksthecat, tatsurou, Touch_It and 57 guests