The Korean Custom Keyboards #1: 356 Series

[ripster]

strange thingeach time click on a otd link a smal pop up inkorena appears and i can"t see the images/posts

should i login ?

otd has closed down for nonregistered users...find a korean to help you register.

Somebody post a logon name and password.

[sixty]

They have also deleted all fake/abuse accounts. Spambot problems seem serious.

[hemflit]

There are so many things in this world I have no clue about.

So these guys carefully choose a PCB base material of the right thickness and elasticity so it would be optimal, not for keyboards in general, but specifically for Cherry linear switches?

Words fail me.

[amleth]

There are so many things in this world I have no clue about...

Never mind.
That is just a crap.

It is not yours.
(Except, you are the new rich).

Think about the cheapest one in the market.

You could spend USD 5.- or less. It works anyway. Fine.
But, If you think about money you spent and feelings you get from the board. It is a crap.

Next, about the best one in the globe.

You could spend USD 500.- or more. It works perfectly. Fine.
But, If you think about money you spent and feelings you get from the board. It is a crap.

Whether they fine carved metal or not, the switches are mass produced Cherries. It is the same sales tactics as selling the Big_Mac in a golden lunch box. The price going to be USD 500.- maybe more. Yes, "I'm lovin' it"

[002]

snip

Keyboard enthusiasts will buy keyboards.
It might seem ridiculous to you, and some people don't spend us much money as others, but at the end of the day, people are going to [and already do] buy expensive keyboards.

[sixty]

Whether they fine carved metal or not, the switches are mass produced Cherries. It is the same sales tactics as selling the Big_Mac in a golden lunch box. The price going to be USD 500.- maybe more. Yes, "I'm lovin' it"

Don't forget that most people who buy these keyboards also go a step further and change the springs in the switches, oil them and apply dust protective stickers, too. In the end they are far from the mass produced Cherries. So if you take a Big Mac home and change the meat and add special sauce, then put it in your golden lunch box, is it still a Big Mac?

[amleth]

is it still a Big Mac?

Nop, USD 4.99- Big_Mac is not the object of worship. Eat it, and it will be your blood and bone. Nice.
But, USD 499- Golden boxed Big_Mac pollutes sound mind, eventually sound body also. It is way worse.

-Changing the springs. What is that supposed to mean ? The higer the better (vice versa) ? That element just gives you a reaction force.

-If you have new Cherries, you do not need oiling at all within coming 10 years at least. Never heard the maker (Cherry) recommended oiling.

-Dust protective stickers ? It reminds me operation Desert Storm. You may know well the worst case dirty boards, if you open the switch housing and look at inside, it is almost perfect. As far as i know, stickers are just for removing the tolerance between upper housing and lower housing (they believe it makes noise). In my opinion the tolerance between slider and housing is much bigger than that (properly, it makes much bigger noise).

In the end they are not so farther than the mass produced Cherries.


Sorry, i am the poor, i hate the rich. that is really why. please, forgive me. Man..

[RiGS]

Sixty, I'm still waiting for your post on lubing mx switches.
I really hate the friction in my cherries.
I already made a post on some of the lubricants I found at otd.
Do you know where to get those die-cutted stickers?

[sixty]

Sixty, I'm still waiting for your post on lubing mx switches.
I really hate the friction in my cherries.
I already made a post on some of the lubricants I found at otd.
Do you know where to get those die-cutted stickers?

They are custom made, I'll see if I can get some at some point...

[Brian8bit]

<snip a load of bullshit>

I think you're on the wrong forum. You're looking for the pseudo-intellectual socialist philosophy student forums.

[RiGS]

I think we have one or two guys who could do the PCB... the case on the other hand still remains unreachable.

I'm currently taking a course on CNC milling, so custom metal keyboard cases hopefully become a reality in the future.
I also know a few CNC guys. I will ask them if they can help with that.
Do you have further details on these custom keyboards?
I believe these keyboards were made in an open source manner.

[sixty]

Nope, no aluminium cases are "open source" as far as I know... only a few acyrlic ones and the PCBs of some are available for download.

[tehpassenger]

The Dark gray looks pretty baller. I mean, all look good, but this one seems amazing ^^ NEED !

[hemflit]

Think about the cheapest one in the market.

You could spend USD 5.- or less. It works anyway. Fine.
But, If you think about money you spent and feelings you get from the board. It is a crap.

Next, about the best one in the globe.

You could spend USD 500.- or more. It works perfectly. Fine.
But, If you think about money you spent and feelings you get from the board. It is a crap.

Well I guess all shoes are crap too, because they don't give me true happiness or a deeper understanding of life. But if I'm wearing shoes for 100 hours every week, and my $5 shoes are just uncomfortable then it's a problem, and I'll be happy to pay $50 for less-crap shoes that solve my problem. Why should I do differently with a keyboard, a tool I use for 100 hours a week? That's just basic rational thinking about things you use a lot. It doesn't even touch the case when someone is an enthusiast - and you'll see a lot of enthusiasts here.

Whether they fine carved metal or not, the switches are mass produced Cherries. It is the same sales tactics as selling the Big_Mac in a golden lunch box. The price going to be USD 500.- maybe more. Yes, "I'm lovin' it"

I really don't get this. What's wrong with mass-produced Cherries? You think they're worthless shit or something? Compared to hand-made fair-trade organic Cherries from sustainable factories?

It's not like these people are paying for a bag of Cherry switches. They're paying for a put-together product that they appreciate and are passionate about as a whole. Most importantly, they know exactly what they're getting into, they are extremely well-informed about everything that makes it up - more than you could say for a lot of people buying hyped-up cars or "hardcore gaming keyboards".

Sorry, i am the poor, i hate the rich. that is really why.

That's very relative, dude. I see you can afford to hang around a forum about something you don't care much about, while 70% of other people can't even access the Internet.

I can't afford to feed myself in fancy restaurants, but that doesn't mean those who can and do are idiots. (Hey, the food there is made from the same potatoes they could buy on their own.)

[amleth]

<snip a load of bullshit>

I think you're on the wrong forum. You're looking for the pseudo-intellectual socialist philosophy student forums.

If you want to quote someones comment, quote it correctly.
I did not say that.
It is your saying.
(though the meaning is the same direction).


Student,
You are just learning things too. So do I everyday.

...ism,
What kind of -ism do you prefer ?
Every community must have all kinds idealists and they sure do, sociallism/communism/capitalism and even bureaucratism. I know in reality sociallisms is flat broken. But, their basic idea is still beautiful.

[amleth]

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Keyboard enthusiasts will buy keyboards.
It might seem ridiculous to you, and some people don't spend us much money as others, but at the end of the day, people are going to [and already do] buy expensive keyboards.

That is you. Who starts wrong quotation.
Quote it correctly, please.

You wrote "keyboard enthusiasts", I read worshippers.
You wrote "buy keyboards", I read buy crap.

I agree with you in general. They will buy crap. Worshipper have no brain.
I use keyboard as tools, but you people consider it as a object of idolatry.

[Brian8bit]

If you don't like it you're always welcome to fuck off. Like I said, you're obviously on the wrong forum.

[webwit]

I still think this is a brilliant troll. Don't let the lack of control of the English language fool you, this is an intellectual troll, not to be underestimated. Nevertheless, just for the exercise, I'll bite. Amleth is taking the wrong approach. If he thinks of this in money terms, it's a decadent hobby, but then he should pick a more decadent hobby to pick on, such as vintage car collecting or something. With keyboards one is picking on the middle class, which seems like a waste of time and focus. The rich don't type, they have people type for them. And it isn't about decadence for people into keyboards, it's about men (and some women) with a hobby. Be it stamp collecting, playing golf or folk dance, it is about the obsession, the tiny details, which don't matter to anyone else. And it is about utility, people who type a lot and want the best tools for the job. People have demanding jobs or obligations, let them have their (in a bigger scope of things) irrelevant obsessions. IMO, it is a good thing. Then there's the meta economical thing about western over-consumption. Whether that applies to us or not, it is a discussion about natural resources, not more fair economic distribution. Less consumption in the western world won't improve his life, more likely on the opposite.

[amleth]

I am not arguing something.

Basically i am with you.
I hate extremes.

Cheapest one is a clearly crap.
Less-crap is that i prefer.
Again-crap-with-fantasy is that i hate.

That fantasied extreme crap is just expensive keyboards. There are no rational theory to explain thier feelings (i mean its price and performance). Their feeling is just a fantasy. Try not to make it rationalize. Fantasy itself is beautiful. If you disguise as reality. Now it is ugly and crap.

I am happy with mass produced Cherries. It is good. A kind of masterpiece. You do not have to imporve it. Try not to make another fantasy (I mean OLD generation MX black carp and all kinds of switch modification crap etc.).

You make your nicely carved metal casings. I am really happy with that kind of fine mechanical stuffs. I, myself was once a learner of some PLA and CNC a decade ago. Work of masterpiece is totally different from fantasyzing it.

[amleth]

Good point. As usual, cool and clear analyze. Thanks.

The rich, you are right, i only could see them on TV. In this kind of internet space ? ^^

[amleth]

I think you're on the wrong forum. You're looking for the pseudo-intellectual socialist philosophy student forums.

Now, I understand you very clearly.

You are one of the arrogant gurus who have stubborn dictatorship of the experts in that parochial keyboard community.
Arrogant guru says, If you have any complaint, you are on the wrong forum, just get off. I AM THE ONE.

So?

Good.bye..

[Brian8bit]

Now, I understand you very clearly.

I don't think you do.

You are one of the arrogant gurus who have stubborn dictatorship of the experts in that parochial keyboard community.

You are one of those pseudo-intellectual know nothing know it alls. You use big words to try to impress everyone of your huge intellect, instead coming across as nothing more than a pretentious arse. I might be arrogant and opinionated, but I'm not a charlatan and what you get from me will not be wrapped up in any pretentious bullshit waffle.

Arrogant guru says, If you have any complaint, you are on the wrong forum, just get off. I AM THE ONE.

So?

Good.bye..

Arrogant guru says, stop flapping your fucking gums. He also says you come on to a forum that focuses on high quality keyboards and pointing devices and complains about the price of them and the people who use them and that makes you either a troll or a moron who is attempting to appear clever or enlightened. Which are kind of one and the same.

[hoggy]

Before mass production if you needed new shoes, you walked into the nearest village or town, and then into a shop that makes shoes on the premises. Chances were that you knew the shoemaker from school. You then owned an item that you could be proud of. You could even have them altered to fit you feet better.

If you live in the west, chances are the keyboards you buy aren't made in the same country. You can't get it customised (not without the kind of effort some of the members go to on this forum...). Why should you love it as much those hand made shoes...

I think the 356 series are at a really good half way point. I couldn't design a keyboard, but I could solder the switches to a pcb (as long as it's not SMT). I've got a ZX81 from a car boot sale that the previous owner soldered together. Even if you don't assemble it yourself, there's still another hook that will help you become emotionally attached to it. If it stopped me buying another 2 dozen 'boards - then it seems much more value of money to me.

[webwit]

Specialization has been the motor behind economic and cultural development of humanity. Without it, we'd still be living in caves wearing dead animals and wielding wooden clubs. In which case your mother would make feet protection from animal skin and fur. And you would have regretted the day when that was no longer the case because some shoemaker started to specialize. You could hope you knew him from hunting practice, but it was not the same thing.

[celery]

good thread derail,troll successful

[gore]

Someone just point him in the direction of an audiophile forum so we can carry on with CNC milled goodness.

[litster]

So the other day I had to open up one of my Filcos to fix a stuck switch. From looking at the inside of the top shell, I think it would not be too difficult or expensive (relatively) to just mill a copy of the top Filco case in aluminum. If we could create just the top shell in aluminum, we could just reuse the bottom shell and the main board, but the whole keyboard would look much differently and weight heavier.

What do you guys think?

[webwit]

That would be great. Show us pictures when you're done!

[litster]

I know, it is much easier said then done. Here is a picture of the top half of the case. The cavity could just be solid, except the LED area need to be milled deeper for the LED to go through.

Filco Case Top Half.jpg (259.61 KiB) Viewed 6287 times

[webwit]

If you can make it relatively inexpensive there would be a lot of people interested in such a thing.