Space-cadet keyboard
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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The legendary Space-cadet keyboard. No case, guts only, but new and unused.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine
- Half-Saint
- Location: Slovenia, Europe
- Main keyboard: Raptor Gaming K1
- Main mouse: Logitech G5 Mk.2
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Blue
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The keycaps are massive!
- HoboBob
- Location: Quebec, Canada
- Main keyboard: TKL w/ reds and DS Cherry caps
- Main mouse: G500
- Favorite switch: ErgoClear/Blue or Red. Depends of what I do...
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Really nice! I like the blue.
And at first I read 'Geek' and not 'Greek' in the 5th picture.
'TOP GEEK' heck yeah! wait... bawwww
And at first I read 'Geek' and not 'Greek' in the 5th picture.
'TOP GEEK' heck yeah! wait... bawwww
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
Congratulations!webwit wrote:The legendary Space Cadet keyboard. No case, guts only, but new and unused.
This is the top of your collection.
You will never ever find something more valuable!
Ever!
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0000
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New with case. Or maybe the Knight Keyboard.
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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I only got it to harvest the keycaps for my POKER!
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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What can possibly stop me?
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
I've sent out these to come to the rescue:webwit wrote:What can possibly stop me?
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to be serious:
Is there any sign of when it had been produced?
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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No dates anywhere on the keyboard, I think.
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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All the stabilizers have a fuzzy little bit.
The switches are linear, they are rather uneventful and feel similar to these Micro Switch switches:
The switches are linear, they are rather uneventful and feel similar to these Micro Switch switches:
- sixty
- Gasbag Guru
- Main keyboard: DKSaver
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Black
- DT Pro Member: 0060
Congrats. About time you managed to get one of these. Knight next!
PS: You should totally find a cable that fits the plug on the back and safely convert this with an Aikon. The matrix looks easy enough to follow on the PCB pics!
PS: You should totally find a cable that fits the plug on the back and safely convert this with an Aikon. The matrix looks easy enough to follow on the PCB pics!
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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I wonder how many layers/characters the Aikon supports. From the Jargon File:
Space-cadet keyboard
A now-legendary device used on MIT LISP machines, which inspired several still-current jargon terms and influenced the design of EMACS. It was equipped with no fewer than seven shift keys: four keys for bucky bits (`control', `meta', `hyper', and `super') and three like regular shift keys, called `shift', `top', and `front'. Many keys had three symbols on them: a letter and a symbol on the top, and a Greek letter on the front. For example, the `L' key had an `L' and a two-way arrow on the top, and the Greek letter lambda on the front. By pressing this key with the right hand while playing an appropriate `chord' with the left hand on the shift keys, you could get the following results:
L: lowercase l
shift-L: uppercase L
front-L: lowercase lambda
front-shift-L: uppercase lambda
top-L: two-way arrow (front and shift are ignored)
And of course each of these might also be typed with any combination of the control, meta, hyper, and super keys. On this keyboard, you could type over 8000 different characters! This allowed the user to type very complicated mathematical text, and also to have thousands of single-character commands at his disposal. Many hackers were actually willing to memorize the command meanings of that many characters if it reduced typing time (this attitude obviously shaped the interface of EMACS). Other hackers, however, thought having that many bucky bits was overkill, and objected that such a keyboard can require three or four hands to operate.
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- Location: California
- Main keyboard: Truly Ergonomic
- Main mouse: Microsoft Explorer
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Brown
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webwit, may i have permission to use your photos on my website? I write about keyboards, in particular related to emacs.
credit will be given of course, with links to here or your website. Thanks.
Xah
credit will be given of course, with links to here or your website. Thanks.
Xah
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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No problem, all my keyboard photos are in the public domain.xahlee wrote:webwit, may i have permission to use your photos on my website? I write about keyboards, in particular related to emacs.
I might be getting the source code for the Intel 8748 controller (which is actually missing, but I don't need it) from the previous owner, depending on the readability this could reveal the matrix as well.sixty wrote:PS: You should totally find a cable that fits the plug on the back and safely convert this with an Aikon. The matrix looks easy enough to follow on the PCB pics!
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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The assembler for the 8748 was written in Lisp, of course. Seems well documented.
Space-cadet controller source code
Spoiler:
- Ascaii
- The Beard
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: CM Novatouch, g80-1851
- Main mouse: Corsair M65
- Favorite switch: Ergo clears, Topre
- DT Pro Member: 0019
too lazy to compare...but is this related? http://jrm-code-project.googlecode.com/ ... /ukbd.lisp
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
This I like most:woody wrote:Good grief, octal as default radix.webwit wrote:;;; -*- Mode: Lisp; Base: 8; Package: User -*-
(defun complement (x)
(logxor 377 x))
Code: Select all
;Is request to boot machine if both controls and both metas are held
;down, along with rubout or return. We have just sent the key-down codes
;for all of those keys. We now send a boot character, then delay for 3 seconds
;to give the machine time to load microcode and read the character to see whether
;it is a warm or cold boot, before sending any other characters, such as up-codes.
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- Location: California
- Main keyboard: Truly Ergonomic
- Main mouse: Microsoft Explorer
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Brown
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@webwit i used your photos at http://xahlee.org/kbd/lisp_keyboards.html Thanks for the perm.
What's the one in front for the key “:”?
it looks like section sign “§” but doesn't seem to be.
btw, where do you get a new one like that? It's quite amazing.
were you using lisp machines in the 1980s?
What's the one in front for the key “:”?
it looks like section sign “§” but doesn't seem to be.
btw, where do you get a new one like that? It's quite amazing.
were you using lisp machines in the 1980s?
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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I wasn't using Lisp machines in the 80ties, a was just a small innocent little duck back then.
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- Location: California
- Main keyboard: Truly Ergonomic
- Main mouse: Microsoft Explorer
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Cool, and thanks for the new photo.webwit wrote:Got it from someone who was working at MIT's AI lab when these were being built. He had this one in storage ever since.
I wasn't using Lisp machines in the 80ties, a was just a small innocent little duck back then.
what the heck is that symbol... i couldn't find the symbol in unicode, nor APL keyboard... tried to find it in lisp machine manual but no luck. Thought it's some currency symbol but doesn't seem so after checking wikipedia.
Last edited by xahlee on 29 Oct 2011, 20:52, edited 1 time in total.
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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Maybe it's just a styled section sign.
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- Location: California
- Main keyboard: Truly Ergonomic
- Main mouse: Microsoft Explorer
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Brown
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you are probably right. Will go with that. Am trying to create a diagram of its layout.webwit wrote:Maybe it's just a styled section sign.
do you plan to get this keyboard to work?
a lisp machine Rainer Joswig got a later model of the lisp machine keyboard on his mac. But his website seems down. Another lisper i recall has also got it to work... i think they home made some converter dongle to usb and documented some of it... i don't know nothing about hardware...