So how much did I miss out on this elecplus treasure trove?
- vivalarevolución
- formerly prdlm2009
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Beam spring
- Main mouse: Kangaroo
- Favorite switch: beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0097
I have been absentee on the forums recently. This elecplus treasure trove seems to the talk of the town. What did I miss? Were there some beam springs?
- Madhias
- BS TORPE
- Location: Wien, Austria
- Main keyboard: HHKB
- Main mouse: Wacom tablet
- Favorite switch: Topre and Buckelings
- DT Pro Member: 0064
- Contact:
There were beam springs, NIB Model M's, SSK's, and much more! Great prices, conditions always as stated: dirty is dirty, normal is normal and new is new. I've ordered different keyboards, and more in the near future maybe...
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- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Filco ZERO green alps, Model F 122 Terminal
- Main mouse: Ducky Secret / Roller Mouse Pro 1
- Favorite switch: MX Mount Topre / Model F Buckling
- DT Pro Member: 0167
and 62 key F's don't forget them, how i regret not getting one but not enough money for 2 at the time and i wanted beamspring
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Beamsprings you say?
Check! (At my brother's, who, thanks to Cindy is beginning to have quite a collection in his own right!)
I also snagged:
An SGI A Model M2 And a while ago, an AT:
And a $25 SSK:
No 62 or 77 key Kishsavers so far, but she did find a cache of the Looooooong 107 key KishUnsaver model. Along with some 50 key square ones. She may well have some left of both.
In fact, Webwit's just arrived:
So yeah, you missed a bit. But Cindy's still finding new stuff, so keep a look out before we all snatch more!
Check! (At my brother's, who, thanks to Cindy is beginning to have quite a collection in his own right!)
I also snagged:
An SGI A Model M2 And a while ago, an AT:
And a $25 SSK:
No 62 or 77 key Kishsavers so far, but she did find a cache of the Looooooong 107 key KishUnsaver model. Along with some 50 key square ones. She may well have some left of both.
In fact, Webwit's just arrived:
So yeah, you missed a bit. But Cindy's still finding new stuff, so keep a look out before we all snatch more!
- Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 1 (home)/Poker II backlit (work)
- Main mouse: MS IMO 1.1
- Favorite switch: Probably not whatever I wrote here
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Sausage dog keyboard :)
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0000
- Contact:
Good name! Better than KishUnsaver. IBM Sausage Dog.
- Madhias
- BS TORPE
- Location: Wien, Austria
- Main keyboard: HHKB
- Main mouse: Wacom tablet
- Favorite switch: Topre and Buckelings
- DT Pro Member: 0064
- Contact:
Always reminds me of Longcat:
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0000
- Contact:
Should keep some random guy's name out of it who at some point re-found one. Imagine if you'd had to call your beam spring keyboards "duckboards". Wait... I may be swayed.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Not a fan of Kishy, eh? Honestly, I prefer a name I can remember over those IBM numbers. Never could keep a telephone number in my head (back when that was remotely useful) and every time someone refers to an IBM code I copy/paste into search because bugger me if I know what it is.
Dachshund is okay. But these 47… shit, looking it up now… 4704s are a family. Only makes sense to name them accordingly. And I do like the typically IBM logic of the Unsaver!
Dachshund is okay. But these 47… shit, looking it up now… 4704s are a family. Only makes sense to name them accordingly. And I do like the typically IBM logic of the Unsaver!
- vivalarevolución
- formerly prdlm2009
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: IBM Beam spring
- Main mouse: Kangaroo
- Favorite switch: beam spring
- DT Pro Member: 0097
Well, if anybody gets tired of your beamspring, you know who to call.
- Halvar
- Location: Baden, DE
- Main keyboard: IBM Model M SSK / Filco MT 2
- Favorite switch: Beam & buckling spring, Monterey, MX Brown
- DT Pro Member: 0051
It's not that bad, just two more columns to the left than the standard Model M layout. The mouse isn't further away than on a fullsize Model M (if you're a right hander). We're just so used here to TKL or smaller layouts ...
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Yup, the lack of a function row across the top makes the board look longer than it really is. A standard Model M is almost the same size. Anyone got a picture to show this?
I like the whole Kishsaver family. The 62 key is, of course, an almost perfect 60% (all I could ask for is an HHKB style right Shift and Fn, but it's so close!), while the 77 looks a fantastic slim TKL. How I want one of those! The 107 is the line's answer to a standard 101 layout. Slim again, but loooooong. Depending how you look at it.
I like the whole Kishsaver family. The 62 key is, of course, an almost perfect 60% (all I could ask for is an HHKB style right Shift and Fn, but it's so close!), while the 77 looks a fantastic slim TKL. How I want one of those! The 107 is the line's answer to a standard 101 layout. Slim again, but loooooong. Depending how you look at it.
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- Location: Houston, Texas
- Main keyboard: IBM Bigfoot
- Main mouse: CST trackball
- Favorite switch: IBM Model F
- DT Pro Member: -
The traditional response to the mouse being too far away is to blame the keyboard. The reality is that even with a 60% board, you still have to take your hand off the keyboard and then find home position again when you're done with the mouse. That to me is the largest factor resulting in reduced efficiency. Maybe we should blame the mouse instead and either try to lessen its importance by increasing the use of keyboard shortcuts or find viable alternatives to it. There are several designs for DIY foot mice out there (like this one) that I've been meaning to try. There is also the Leap device, but that also requires you to take your hand off the keyboard. Then there are the track point and track pad, but both of them are difficult to integrate with vintage keyboards.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Well, there's the Rollermouse, of which I know very little…
http://deskthority.net/other-devices-f3 ... ollermouse
http://ergo.contour-design.com
http://deskthority.net/other-devices-f3 ... ollermouse
http://ergo.contour-design.com
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- Location: Houston, Texas
- Main keyboard: IBM Bigfoot
- Main mouse: CST trackball
- Favorite switch: IBM Model F
- DT Pro Member: -
Hey, that rollermouse is pretty cool! I like the concept, and the roller could be built into the front nose of the keyboard. Pity it's so expensive.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Right around the same price as an HHKB, so I see, although there is a "free trial" for the daring and curious!
One of the guys at Low End Mac has been using them for years:
http://lowendmac.com/misc/11mr/rollermo ... eview.html
To be honest, I haven't explored alternate pointing devices at all for myself, because my mouse and trackpad give me no trouble. Yup, I'm lucky not to have noticed any RSI. I'm keyboard heavy when it comes to working with words, and scroll heavy when browsing, so my hands have a fairly easy time. Certainly seen people switching between them far more frantically than I do!
The appeal of dainty keyboards for me is just as aesthetic and conceptual as it is about "reaching all the way to the mouse", which I plunk on the left when using a fullsize keyboard anyway. I don't like superfluous keys taking up space, wherever they may be. I'd lop the function row off my TKLs, if I had my way, and I just might try yet! Layers make a lot more sense to me than roaming around a larger keyboard.
One of the guys at Low End Mac has been using them for years:
http://lowendmac.com/misc/11mr/rollermo ... eview.html
To be honest, I haven't explored alternate pointing devices at all for myself, because my mouse and trackpad give me no trouble. Yup, I'm lucky not to have noticed any RSI. I'm keyboard heavy when it comes to working with words, and scroll heavy when browsing, so my hands have a fairly easy time. Certainly seen people switching between them far more frantically than I do!
The appeal of dainty keyboards for me is just as aesthetic and conceptual as it is about "reaching all the way to the mouse", which I plunk on the left when using a fullsize keyboard anyway. I don't like superfluous keys taking up space, wherever they may be. I'd lop the function row off my TKLs, if I had my way, and I just might try yet! Layers make a lot more sense to me than roaming around a larger keyboard.
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- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Filco ZERO green alps, Model F 122 Terminal
- Main mouse: Ducky Secret / Roller Mouse Pro 1
- Favorite switch: MX Mount Topre / Model F Buckling
- DT Pro Member: 0167
I have switched to a trackball ( only a slimblade) for everything apart form games and it is amazing , i never had rsi but my wrist would be a bit stiff sometimes , this has almost 100% stopped, i just need to get another for work. ( problem with that is i am moving to a new job and don't want to get something like a simblade if i have to be on the move as its not the best to throw in a bag. )
How is the ltrack-x vs the slimblade ? the ltrack is bloody expensive.
How is the ltrack-x vs the slimblade ? the ltrack is bloody expensive.
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- DT Pro Member: -
I just got a Rollermouse, but it's this thing from 1989 (NOS, $15):Muirium wrote: ↑Well, there's the Rollermouse, of which I know very little…
http://deskthority.net/other-devices-f3 ... ollermouse
http://ergo.contour-design.com
It looks like it's the original serial version of the DT225. It came with software - on 5 1/4" floppy! - version 1.0. Here it is compared with a newer DT225 (black ball from Microspeed trackball):
Surprisingly, the Rollermouse isn't as smooth as the DT225 and the casing feels slightly cheaper (usually older=better quality). Another visible difference is only 8 dip switches on the bottom instead of 12. I haven't opened it yet to compare the internals.
I bought this because it says right on the box that it contains software for PS/2. So I thought this would work with a serial to PS/2 adapter (some serial mouses do). Sadly, after getting the adapter I discovered that it doesn't work. In the manual, they mention serial version and PS/2 version. They supply the software for PS/2, but you need the actual PS/2 version. What a pisser.