Custom Buckling Springs?
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You can always measure the springs and then go order something custom from someone who sells springs. MOQ is probably pretty high though, and I doubt you’ll find many other folks who want something stiffer.
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
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If you want a dirty non-reversible ghetto mod, most springs can be literally stretched out by hand to make them stiffer ....
- chzel
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I think it will take a lot of trial and error, as the free length and the spring weight both contribute to where in the travel the spring buckles and actuates.
Also a stiffer spring might reduce the life of the "flipper" or the membranes since the force will be higher...
Also a stiffer spring might reduce the life of the "flipper" or the membranes since the force will be higher...
- Redmaus
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My model F has a very unique sound. It has a VERY pingy sound. Do you think this is because of the springs?
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
- Favorite switch: Model F Buckling Spring
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No.Redmaus wrote: ↑My model F has a very unique sound. It has a VERY pingy sound. Do you think this is because of the springs?
It is because of multiple rigid plates bent into a complex system of tension and compression.
- seebart
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it may also have to do with the condition of the foam mat but fohat is right. My XT is a little "pingy" too.
- Redmaus
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Oh okay. I wonder how I could make them tighter and more crisp/
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
- Favorite switch: Model F Buckling Spring
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Them what and tighter and more crisp than what?Redmaus wrote: ↑Oh okay. I wonder how I could make them tighter and more crisp/
- Redmaus
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I just want to know how to make the switches crisps as possible.
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
- Favorite switch: Model F Buckling Spring
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You should start a "crispness" evaluation thread.Redmaus wrote: ↑I just want to know how to make the switches crisps as possible.
My guess is that the Model F (the XT variant in particular) is the most "crisp" of all keyboards, although I have never owned an IBM beam spring and that might win out.
I always floss-mod my Model Fs, but some people might argue that this modification reduces the crispness along with the ringing audible overtones.
The other candidates that come to mind are "Monterey" blue SMK switches and black Hi-Tek "Space Invaders"
- Redmaus
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Allright I guess i will start a thread once I get around to record the sound of my model F so the rest can hear.
So the XT is the most crisp it appears? Hmm it seems the keyboards that ibm made before the newer ones after it always seem to be better.
So the XT is the most crisp it appears? Hmm it seems the keyboards that ibm made before the newer ones after it always seem to be better.
- Muirium
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Yeah, that's the trend! I've got an XT and it's a quality piece of kit. My AT is very close, though, and a nicer layout. And the Kishsaver is better yet, with a superb layout and all metal case. Model Fs are a cut above the rest. Well, besides for beamsprings.
Here's a bunch of my recordings for comparison across several switch families, including Model M vs. F:
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/chr ... gs#p200826
Here's a bunch of my recordings for comparison across several switch families, including Model M vs. F:
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/chr ... gs#p200826
- Redmaus
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So were the 4704 and the kishsavers made before the XT line? Or after?
I hope adding art foam to my model F will make the switches crisper when I ANSI mod it.
I hope adding art foam to my model F will make the switches crisper when I ANSI mod it.
- Redmaus
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- Main keyboard: Unsaver | 3276 | Kingsaver
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Done and posted here: http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/ibm ... 10012.html
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They are already too stiff for me! It's a workout typing on model m's after trying out other switches.jacobolus wrote: ↑You can always measure the springs and then go order something custom from someone who sells springs. MOQ is probably pretty high though, and I doubt you’ll find many other folks who want something stiffer.