Odd dye sublimation on NMB
-
- Location: NC, USA
- DT Pro Member: 0117
I found a beige tactile NMB/Hi-Tek board with dye sublimated legends that are a bit strange. The font and layout is the same as other similar boards that I have, but there is a green "halo" around the black legends, but not the green or brown legends. The black legends are also a bit thick, which makes it seem as if this is an error. May to much heat or pressure or applied for too long.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
- DT Pro Member: -
A similar but much less extreme thing happened on my Hi-Tek 725, although that was actually black. I think it might have actually run out over time rather than that it was like that from the start, though.
-
- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Filco ZERO green alps, Model F 122 Terminal
- Main mouse: Ducky Secret / Roller Mouse Pro 1
- Favorite switch: MX Mount Topre / Model F Buckling
- DT Pro Member: 0167
That is an interesting theory, it could be possible that the plastic ages over time and then this happens , but it would be interesting to see how far this permeates into the cap. It is very uniform so i don't see it being something like the oils is the skin reacting but there is no way to know without testing. The brown legends are fine so it has something to do with the black dye. The reason its not a black smudge is quite a few black dyes are not actually back but just a very dark colour.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
- DT Pro Member: -
Yeah, and that's exactly why I think it's a permeation issue; the black (green) dye they used simply has different permeation properties than the other dyes.
Nice board, btw. That's the original RT-101, isn't it?
Nice board, btw. That's the original RT-101, isn't it?
-
- Location: NC, USA
- DT Pro Member: 0117
Thanks!Chyros wrote: ↑Yeah, and that's exactly why I think it's a permeation issue; the black (green) dye they used simply has different permeation properties than the other dyes.
Nice board, btw. That's the original RT-101, isn't it?
Yes, but I think we need to better define the NMB/Hi-Tek models. The RT-101 name can be associated with many different boards. NMB went through 5 case styles:
Key layout and case style:
1 - XT layout. Case looks like Keytronic.
2 - AT layout. Case mimics IBM AT
3 - Model M layout. Case mimics Model M.
4 - Model M layout. Case is flatter and resembles a G80-1000.
5 - Model M layout. Case is smaller. Mimics IBM M2.
Model labeling:
Type 1 & 2 aren't labelled with a model #, just part #.
RT-101 usually refers to type 3, but I have some type 4's that are labelled RT-101.
Type 4 is usually RT-8XXX
Type 5 is always RT-8XXX
This example is #3.
-
- Location: JAPAN
- Main keyboard: Model M, dodoo dome keyboard,CherryMX numeric pad
- Main mouse: logitech Master,M705 and 3 Logitech mice
- Favorite switch: ff
- DT Pro Member: -
Nice layout research. I associated with the FCCID which was the early 84keys AT layout or Model series including different FCCID.(e.g. MODEL RT-101+ series)
Could you took out the label let me see the PN and the switch of space bar, Num lock, Caps Lock and Scroll Lock respectively? If the specific dye-sub could make the different variant of switch color, great to see....but I don't think so.
Could you took out the label let me see the PN and the switch of space bar, Num lock, Caps Lock and Scroll Lock respectively? If the specific dye-sub could make the different variant of switch color, great to see....but I don't think so.
-
- Location: NC, USA
- DT Pro Member: 0117
It's FCCID: AQ659ZRT-101A, PN: 115039-002. The same as this example: http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a/, except mine does not have the pink lock key switches. All switches are tactile beige, one eye except spacebar which neon green, one eye.
So it seems that PN does not guarantee switch type, at least when it comes to lock keys.
So it seems that PN does not guarantee switch type, at least when it comes to lock keys.
-
- Location: JAPAN
- Main keyboard: Model M, dodoo dome keyboard,CherryMX numeric pad
- Main mouse: logitech Master,M705 and 3 Logitech mice
- Favorite switch: ff
- DT Pro Member: -
Yes, Your're right! To determine the FCCID and PN together. It just have 95% confirm the switch variant and color.
Thanks to your help. It's an important news found to me.
Did you found the PN on the front of PCB and A/W number back of PCB are same to rzw owns?
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_03-2/
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_11-2/
Thanks to your help. It's an important news found to me.
Did you found the PN on the front of PCB and A/W number back of PCB are same to rzw owns?
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_03-2/
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_11-2/
-
- Location: NC, USA
- DT Pro Member: 0117
No. They are 115499 & 115498. As always. Front is one different than back.terrycherry wrote: ↑Yes, Your're right! To determine the FCCID and PN together. It just have 95% confirm the switch variant and color.
Thanks to your help. It's an important news found to me.
Did you found the PN on the front of PCB and A/W number back of PCB are same to rzw owns?
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_03-2/
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_11-2/
Edit: mine has a higher serial number as well.
-
- Location: JAPAN
- Main keyboard: Model M, dodoo dome keyboard,CherryMX numeric pad
- Main mouse: logitech Master,M705 and 3 Logitech mice
- Favorite switch: ff
- DT Pro Member: -
Great. Higher number always told that's the later made keyboard.Engicoder wrote: ↑No. They are 115499 & 115498. As always. Front is one different than back.terrycherry wrote: ↑Yes, Your're right! To determine the FCCID and PN together. It just have 95% confirm the switch variant and color.
Thanks to your help. It's an important news found to me.
Did you found the PN on the front of PCB and A/W number back of PCB are same to rzw owns?
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_03-2/
http://kbd.rzw.jp/nmb/aq659zrt-101a_2/a ... 101a_11-2/
Edit: mine has a higher serial number as well.
As I see two of yours with the same FCCID and PN on label; and the another two keyboard with different FCCID and PN on label to compare yours but they have the both FCCID and PN. And the later one's PN numer on PCB always including the Beige on lock keys and their space bar is different.
P.S: I have been seen two groups of same FCCID and PN label on Beige variant RT-101+ keyboards which have some different variants switch on them.
Another same with FCCID and PN but not "Beige switch" keyboard did not find that situation.