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by Ellipse
04 May 2021, 23:50
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

an_achronism yes I believe Unicomp's 2013 product update also shows a slight gap for the 1.25 key whereas the older 104 design did not have an extra gap.

I think I designed the F62 and F77 to be more in line with Unicomp's revised design, so that both smaller and larger space bars are compatible. Maybe the older Unicomp design did not allow for both larger and smaller space bars using the same barrel frame, and with the 1.5U / 1U / 1.5U key arrangement on the left and right side of the space bar.

https://www.pckeyboard.com/mm5/graphics ... -25-13.pdf
by Ellipse
04 May 2021, 02:48
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Thanks to everyone for the continuing, great discussion on getting the key legends as good as possible and about the possibility of additional languages. I hope as many languages (that people intend on using on their Model F / Model M) can be made available.

Question to reflow soldering / PCB experts: is anyone interested in a handful of (free) xwhatsit controllers that did not pass quality control standards? Example issues: row or column not detected, entire controller not detected by computer.

The controllers would be free and I would cover the cost of shipping in the US, with the only requirement that you make a good faith attempt to repair them and let me know in detail how to fix them, so I can pass along the info to the factory. Maybe you'd need to remove one working shift register chip over to another PCB and keep one or more of the PCBs as "for parts" units, for example. I'd also request that you fix and mail me back one or two of the many controllers I send over, just to show the factory that they are in fact repairable.

In the attached comparison, my suspicion is that the PCB on the top had its USB-C connector soldered at such an angle that caused the controller to not work. It just shows every gray dot as pressed in the xwhatsit capsense utility program, at any threshold value (xwhatsit's Model F testing PDF notes that a working controller should display no gray dots at the very first startup and should initially auto calibrate to threshold value 681). The one on the bottom is tested and working.
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by Ellipse
01 May 2021, 16:37
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Reshala - the available space bar colors are pearl, dark gray, Industrial SSK blue, and black. Unicomp's space bars should also work - they have two versions and I don't remember which of the two would work. https://www.pckeyboard.com/mm5/graphics ... -25-13.pdf

kremor I don't know.

Ludovician there would be no delay. I still have some solenoids and drivers in stock. Yes you would need both to run a solenoid.
by Ellipse
30 Apr 2021, 01:38
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

As a note I have just published the April update on the project web site blog - a good gathering of all the activity since the last blog post.

https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/blog/

In the update, I have added a note on how to mount the solenoid L bracket with one of the screw-on bumpers:

The L bracket case hole is 6-32 thread so you can actually use the L bracket as the nut for any bumpers with 6-32 threads or with a 6-32 screw that you can order elsewhere. For example the 1 inch tall bumpers on the project web site include a 6-32 thread screw. No need to drill another hole in the case if you want both a screw on bumper as well as a solenoid! Unfortunately the 1/2 inch bumpers known as “medium with the threaded stud” are 8-32 thread I believe so you’d have to buy a stick on bumper or drill another hole, or mount the solenoid internally with something like 3M VHB tape. Might be better to purchase a set of 1/2 inch bumpers with a hole in the middle, instead of with an included screw, so that you can use a 6-32 screw of your own.
by Ellipse
26 Apr 2021, 17:53
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Regarding the beam spring legend Model F keys, I recommend the Icon-only modifiers where appropriate, like in the 3278 photo posted earlier, as opposed to the Field Exit, PF, etc. of some keyboards.

Great ironicmoustache - glad you've joined the project!

And glad everything arrived safely Xcore despite the box likely getting bounced around during shipping.

Dye sublimation update - a whole bunch of keys are expected to arrive by air at some point next week, including blue printed US, dark gray printed US, pearl/pebble UK, and regular pearl/pebble US (and associated HHKB 6 key sets for each option). Once this batch arrives I will have enough keys to start mailing out the key sets for the folks who chose the separate shipping option, alongside my mailings of the full keyboards and key sets for those who have been waiting for everything to ship all at once.

Only the "all in stock" shipping and all in stock separate shipping will go out - the factory is doing all the front printing stuff and extra keys last, expected towards the end of May (so those who have ordered F1-F12, Industrial SSK, and extra keys will get everything starting after I receive those keys - there is no "separate separate" shipping option to get your main key set a little earlier and the standard separate shipping option is no longer available).
by Ellipse
22 Apr 2021, 00:21
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Yes confirmed, I hope to offer the beam spring type, beam spring apl type layouts for the new Model F keys as well as regular APL (both light orange and red variations) and JIS.

Zed has also just added the 1U Mac keys requested and color options for the keys (see the extra keys page on the project web site for the new graphics) - green Alt keys, gray SSK front print keys, and green SysRq front print. No other colors or other options are currently available until I see how the green sublimation turns out.

If interested in any of these sets or color keys please message me or email me so I can let you know when they are ready to order (let me know which you are interested in). First I'm going to make sure one of each comes out nice from the factory.
by Ellipse
21 Apr 2021, 04:33
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

This is a great discussion on all the additional language options. I have just submitted four additional language layouts to the factory thanks to Zed! Brazil, German, Swedish Finnish, and Swiss German.

GetInTheRolls did you do the test where you open the signal monitor utility first, then remove the 9 num pad key, and then observe if the top number in the group of 3 numbers moves to green? As a note I test every key before mailing but sometimes problems show up after these keyboards are bounced around in shipping and/or used on different equipment. I would first touch up all the solder joints (don't take apart the keyboard for this as it's not needed; you just have to open up the case as noted in the manual). Have you tried another computer and another USB port?

The last resort (if the above does not work) is to remove all the keys and open the inner assembly as shown in one of the videos in the manual, and rest a flipper on top of selected keys that do not respond to the flipper. If a key registers then it is an issue with the flipper and spring which should be replaced or cleaned off with a lint free cloth (also clean the PCB with a cloth too).

Did you add polyimide or electrical tape to the bottom of the controller? It may be making contact with the bottom of the case which may cause intermittent issues.
by Ellipse
21 Apr 2021, 02:26
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

GetInTheRolls it looks like a matrix row is not working - please see the manual's description on how to fix a row. It involves touching up the solder and maybe adding a layer of electrical tape if your keyboard is an ultra compact case version. Also please use the signal level monitor as your screenshot is not as detailed.
by Ellipse
20 Apr 2021, 17:15
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

At this point additional language sets are now possible - this was not the case before. Zed is working on Model F quality APL and JIS sets too!

OK to add Czech as an option if Zed is up to creating it and if someone wants it!

Please do post here if you would personally like to order any other specific language key sets.

GetInTheRolls please check out the manual which offers a full checklist of steps in the troubleshooting section. I just updated it today. One section is dedicated to the specific issue of one key not working. I'd guess your spring needs re-seating or replacement but please follow the checklist.
by Ellipse
17 Apr 2021, 03:19
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Attached is Zed's draft artwork for the international sublimated key sets. The factory expects to start production on these in a few days. If there are any issues please post a reply on this thread.

As a note, these images are drafts and you will not receive all of the keys below in any set. Each language file contains multiple sets that can be ordered separately (front print, base key set, etc.).

As a note the Apple specific keys in the below proposed artwork would be for new orders only. I will not be changing any prior front print orders for the new apple front print.

To view them larger, you can right click and click open image in new tab, or right click to save the file.
by Ellipse
16 Apr 2021, 22:46
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Wazrach not sure if you read my reply but the manual describes how to fix the binding/scratchiness - it is not impossible to fix.

The new Model F keys are based on the original specs and even use the exact same PBT material that IBM used many decades ago. I have not seen any instances of scratchiness. You may be noticing the sound of the spring.

Maybe the IBM XT keys in your collection are likely more heavily worn down in the keystem area or maybe slightly smaller than the F122 and XT reference sets I based the measurements off of, so you are noticing reduced friction between the keys and barrel. Again the manual shows the pinching/wiggling technique if you want to try it. It is the most effective way to smooth things out if needed.
by Ellipse
16 Apr 2021, 21:05
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Very professional design darkcruix! Will make switching key sets much quicker I'd imagine.

Wazrach the fix for key binding was noted a few months back on this thread and is now in the manual on the project web site. The fix is successful 100% of the time to stop key binding. No tools or materials are needed for the fix.

I have also included a video in the manual to show an easy way to open and close the inner assembly with channel lock pliers. Takes only a few minutes to open and close. For anyone reading this thread, no other tools are needed besides 2 pairs of pliers, one of which should be channel lock.

Several mods to the space bar sound have also been noted in detail in the manual, including the addition of O rings - I install everyone's space bars but you can definitely replicate my work by following the manual in case the space bar is dislodged as the keyboard is unfortunately bounced around in shipping.

As a general note the manual on the project web site contains the best practices for quick and safe repairs and maintenance of the new Model F keyboards - if you are relatively new to Model F keyboards please do not attempt your own methods of repair - please follow the manual and post on the forums for help if needed.
by Ellipse
16 Apr 2021, 04:39
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Dye sublimation update on the blue printed US ANSI, UK pearl/pebble, and dark gray US ANSI printed key sets:

The factory reports they have completed 150 blue, 50 UK, and 125 gray key sets and will be mailing them to me by express air shipping in the coming days, with the next batch of pearl/pebble US ANSI sublimated key sets. Also sending 60 blue hhkb 6 key sets and the same number of gray sets, plus 15 6 key mac sets each for both these colors. I will be posting photos soon after!

This means that orders containing these key sets will be eligible to get into the queue for shipping assuming everything is in stock (the split shipping option is not available any more) - we are still going in the original shipping order where possible so shipping is still going to be months away for most orders as I am the final bottleneck of the project, inspecting each keyboard and putting each order together one at a time. As noted earlier I am unable to estimate where any one particular order is in the queue but I send out a tracking number by email as soon as each order ships.
by Ellipse
15 Apr 2021, 22:42
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Additional commands in the current firmware:

Hold down the keys Fn+Spacebar+
T-->Toggle the Solenoid On/Off Any key HPT_TOG
+= Increase Solenoid dwell time HPT_DWLI
-_ Decrease Solenoid dwell time HPT_DWLD
E-->EEPROM Reset (erases all settings like if you adjusted a dwell time for solenoid)
R-->Reset (enter bootloader)
D-->Debug

Command keys: hold Left Shift + Right Shift +
B-->Enter Bootloader
N-->Toggle N-Key Rollover (NKRO) (off by default to maximize compatibility)
Others: https://beta.docs.qmk.fm/using-qmk/adva ... re_command

NKRO note as relayed to me:
Why there is not NKRO by default: When the USB Human Interface Device protocol was designed, they had a limit of 6 keys in there. This is the minimum all systems agree on (including BIOS etc.). NKRO is not standardized and there is a good chance, the keyboard doesn't work in certain circumstances. In fact, on a Mac you can't get into the recovery mode or NVRAM. On a PC, it depends on the UEFI designer, but I have seen problems with HP laptops.
by Ellipse
14 Apr 2021, 23:06
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

I have just updated the QMK files on the project web site to include Via with the updates I noted a few posts up (also attached). The zip file includes the layout files and hex files for Via QMK and for non-Via QMK.

Please follow darkcruix's post for more details on setting up Via:

viewtopic.php?p=482408#p482408
by Ellipse
14 Apr 2021, 00:02
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: Should I lube my model f stabs?
Replies: 7
Views: 448

Re: Should I lube my model f stabs?

For some keys that are originally less smooth or bind a bit, I recommend pinching the 2.25U and larger keys about 10-30 times - helps improve smoothness significantly - hold the key stem and stabilizer pole with your thumb and forefinger and squeeze 10-30 times. The pinching and releasing brings the outer key stem "ear" and the stabilizer pole a little closer together - be careful not to pinch too much or the key can break. This quick fix requires no other materials and has worked 100% of the time for me.
by Ellipse
13 Apr 2021, 23:47
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: access denied - xwhatsit's solenoid driver
Replies: 12
Views: 422

Re: access denied - xwhatsit's solenoid driver

PrivateCain please check out the main project thread - I just updated the QMK firmware a couple days ago to fix the weak solenoid default firmware setting - link in one of my recent posts. I also noted the new firmware's key press combinations to enter bootloader without having to short any pads on the controller.

Unfortunately firmware created by the main QMK project web site will not work as Model F has not yet been submitted to the QMK project, and firmware created by pandrew's QMK web site won't have firmware settings that allow a working solenoid by default. More details on the project thread.
by Ellipse
12 Apr 2021, 22:32
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Importing the latest qmk project and also pandrew's fork with qmk as of about one year ago creates duplication, so I recommend deleting the extra files and using all the latest qmk except pandrew's xwhatsit folder containing the Model F specific updates to avoid confusion if you're in a VM. It's just my recommendation.

This setup is especially for Windows users as I could not get it working reliably there - maybe others will be able to. I am not familiar enough with Mac and the many linux variants other than Ubuntu to offer any recommendations there, but it seems like they would be fine alternatives. Certain commands are slightly different on some linux variants so this setup is geared towards other beginners who want everything to work exactly as written.
by Ellipse
11 Apr 2021, 22:49
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

I have finally set up for myself a local way of compiling the firmware through the command line so that I can update the factory default solenoid dwell times, add in darkcruix's patch for excluding certain keys for the solenoid, allow NKRO but disable it by default, etc.

Keyboards going out starting this week will use the latest QMK firmware. Files are also available on the project web site - About - Code page.

The instructions from pandrew were very helpful but for a beginner such as myself, I needed step by step instructions which I have updated below. This will allow those with little to know programming knowledge to adjust the settings in QMK that cannot be adjusted from the QMK configurator GUI web site.

At the bottom of this post you can download my latest JSON files and the latest firmware, which uses the current QMK branch as of today, with the above-mentioned changes, and with pandrew's Model F-specific additions to QMK that have made all of this possible.

Once again much thanks to pandrew and darkcruix for their outstanding work on QMK and Via. As a note the attached firmware is not Via compatible but it can be made compatible.

To customize Via firmware beyond layout customizations (for example, to make all the above changes), please contact darkcruix, who put together a document listing changes in the code to get the firmware working with Via. You currently lose the ability to diagnose the controller in pandrew's QMK utility if you use Via firmware. To just have Via with the default settings that cannot be changed in the Via program, please refer to darkcruix's post where you can download the Via hex file and start customizing from there without having to set up linux: viewtopic.php?p=482036#p482036

new procedure from scratch Ubuntu install:
download and install Ubuntu in a Virtual Machine

open Terminal program and enter one line at a time:

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
sudo apt install python3-pip
sudo python3 -m pip install qmk
echo "PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin" >> ../.bashrc
sudo apt install git
qmk setup
git clone [insert URL here - contact pandrew for access to pandrew's git project]

do this action-not a command in terminal
copy keyboards/xwhatsit folder to qmk_firmware/keyboards folder
delete everything in the ubuntu home folder except the QMK_firmware and desktop directories - the xwhatsit folder has all the changes in QMK

code changes to make
config.h in the folder of the keyboard you want to update - in my case, keyboards/xwhatsit/brand_new_model_f/f77/wcass
lines 286-287
#define SOLENOID_DEFAULT_DWELL 20
#define SOLENOID_MIN_DWELL 20

replace haptic.c file in qmk_firmware/drivers/haptic folder with darkcruix's updated file to allow customization of which keys trigger the solenoid (modifier keys by default will not trigger the solenoid unless you change the below line to #define HAPTIC_EXCLUSION_KEYS 0):
https://github.com/darkcruix/qmk_firmwa ... c/haptic.c

add to end of file - new line:
#define HAPTIC_EXCLUSION_KEYS 1

in rules.mk:
line 40:
NKRO_ENABLE = yes # USB Nkey Rollover
add this line at bottom:
LTO_ENABLE = yes # Link Time Optimization - reduces file size

put the json file with your custom layout (the file you created in QMK configurator) in the root of the Home folder
command to set the keyboard - can change F77 to F62 in this example if you have an F62:

qmk config user.keyboard=xwhatsit/brand_new_model_f/f77/wcass
qmk compile "../1.json"
it will give a random name and place the file in the root qmk_firmware folder - not the name of the json file, so if compiling multiple layouts, rename the newly created hex file before proceeding to compile the next layout
../ means go up one folder from qmk_firmware folder

examples:
qmk config user.keyboard=xwhatsit/brand_new_model_f/f77/wcass
qmk compile "../F77_-_ANSI-ISO_-_0-9.json"
qmk compile "../F77_-_ANSI-ISO_-_PrintScr.json"
qmk compile "../F77_-_HHKB_2U_backspace_-_0-9.json"
qmk compile "../F77_-_HHKB_2U_backspace_-_PrintScr.json"
qmk compile "../F77_-_HHKB_split_backspace_-_0-9.json"
qmk compile "../F77_-_HHKB_split_backspace_-_PrintScr.json"
qmk compile "../F77_JIS_-_PrintScr_-_need_to_do_0-9_layout_and_add_function_layer.json"
qmk compile "../zF77_-_HHKB_split_backspace,_everything_else_ANSI_-_0-9.json"
qmk compile "../zF77_-_HHKB_split_backspace,_everything_else_ANSI_-_PrintScr.json"
qmk compile "../zF77_-_HHKB_Split_Shift,_everything_else_ANSI_-_0-9.json"
qmk compile "../zF77_-_HHKB_Split_Shift,_everything_else_ANSI_-_PrintScr.json"

to then switch to compiling f62's:
qmk config user.keyboard=xwhatsit/brand_new_model_f/f62/wcass
qmk compile "../F62_-_ANSI-ISO_-_Regular_2U_or_Split_Backspace.json"
qmk compile "../F62_-_HHKB_-_Regular_2U_Backspace.json"
qmk compile "../F62_-_HHKB_-_Split_Backspace.json"
qmk compile "../zF62_HHKB_split_right_shift_only,_everything_else_ANSI.json"
by Ellipse
09 Apr 2021, 19:03
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Solenoid configuration - some helpful advice from pandrew.

There were some reports of the new solenoids not operating under full power - this is due to the default QMK settings that require adjustment.

For the new solenoids, since they are far beefier than the originals, they need a little more dwell time to actuate to the full force and full volume. Examples of different dwell settings and the sounds for each can be found in my YouTube video below.

My recommendation is to set the dwell time to 20 ms to 30 ms.

To do this, go into Via or the QMK configurator and per pandrew: "map the HPT_DWLI (and HPT_DWLD) keycodes into their keymap, and press HPT_DWLI 16 times, to get it to 20 ms." (the default setting is 4ms). I will be doing this with the firmware loaded onto each keyboard going forward.

There is a retract setting for xwhatsit firmware that does not exist in QMK - for xwhatsit firmware the important thing is to set the retract to longer than the extend time, say 30ms to 40ms. If you do not do this, the solenoid may not function properly. Per pandrew: "The current QMK implementation doesn't have a retract time (it's effectively zero), and can't currently be adjusted."
by Ellipse
06 Apr 2021, 17:24
Forum: Keyboards
Topic: New F77 or a Unicomp?
Replies: 59
Views: 2288

Re: New F77 or a Unicomp?

Model F Project coordinator here

Finners - The Model M was actually IBM's effort to cut two-thirds of the cost out of their Model F which originally went for $600 or more in the early 80s, adjusted for inflation. The Model F produces a much crisper sound with each key press. Over time the Model M inner plastic top plate begins to separate from the metal bottom plate as the brittle plastic rivets break off one by one, and that further dulls the sound of the keyboard. Once those Model M rivets fall out they can't be put back! The "bolt mod" is an option but it irrevocably changes the original sound of the Model M in my experience and is often a last resort to keep the keyboard going. The brand new Model F keyboards are also native USB with NKRO and are fully customizable with function layers, macros, and the option to customize each key and layout. They work with beta QMK firmware and xwhatsit firmware.

fbblovezl I sent you a PM - I am the new Model F project coordinator.

Dikkus a fix for binding stabilized keys was posted on the project thread a while back and is also included in the manual on the project web site. The fix has been 100% successful so far. It only takes a minute or two to do the fix and the only tool you need is a wire key puller. It's actually the key that needs a little adjustment - the stabilizer insert is fine as is. Check out the manual to see what I mean :)
The factory was made aware of the issue that affects some keycaps and they are QCing the stabilized keys and doing the adjustments where needed to save some time for the end users.
by Ellipse
05 Apr 2021, 05:38
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Dye sublimation update: The factory has been very busy with the sublimation over the past month. While the factory was training the new workers last month, production was of course not full speed, and they were also keeping a closer eye to make sure that the dye sublimation quality standards were being met.

The factory reports that so far about 1,800 US regular pearl/pebble key sets have been produced, as well as a number of the HHKB and Mac sets. The factory is on schedule to finish up the sublimation in the next two months.

The first international artwork has been completed by Zed - it is the UK set (the next most popular set by order quantity) - that's probably the next set they will work on, along with producing some sample sets of Industrial SSK blue as well as some dark gray sets.
by Ellipse
31 Mar 2021, 23:11
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Yes the same fixes apply to the smaller keys though I've never heard of an instance of a non-stabilized key getting stuck unless there's some other issue. Do the flipper and spring move freely when no key is installed? Maybe the flipper got stuck - this does happen occasionally if the keyboard was jostled around in shipping (!). Not sure what you're saying with something binding when the key is not installed. Maybe the spring was damaged/bent in which case you'll need to re-seat the spring as described in the manual, or replace it as a last step.
by Ellipse
31 Mar 2021, 22:31
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

ashtronaut please check out the manual on the project web site for a fast way to fix any key binding - works 100% of the time for me!
by Ellipse
26 Mar 2021, 03:02
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

To follow up on solenoid adjustments, I have posted a 30 second video on adjusting the solenoid settings:

Some solenoid settings may result in a lower sound, or no sound coming from your solenoid. This video compares the sound with two different solenoid settings. With maximum throw, extend 20ms, retract 30ms, you get a full volume solenoid click sound. With extend reduced to 15ms, retract 30ms, you get a reduced volume solenoid sound. You can also adjust the physical solenoid settings with the two screws found on the solenoid - another solenoid video in this channel discusses how to physically install and adjust the solenoid in your keyboard.
by Ellipse
24 Mar 2021, 18:49
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
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Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Lumiloop please do share what you did to fine tune your solenoid and driver, and maybe some installation photos if you don't mind! So far not too many people have shared their settings even though a bunch have already shipped out.
by Ellipse
21 Mar 2021, 17:39
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Yep the key legends are definitely different from even some contemporary IBM keys on other keyboards.

Here is a 2016 scan of my originals done on an Epson V700. Keys sourced from a 6110344 F122 from mid-1984 and an XT from around the same time. Also some Model M keys are in the scan; they were thickened up and redesigned a bit to match more consistently with F keys.

Below that is a scan of the new reproduction keys on the same scanner. Pardon the colors being a bit off in my old scan.
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by Ellipse
21 Mar 2021, 17:18
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
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Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Thanks for your detailed review XMIT. Here are my notes:

Key texture - the key top is more textured on purpose! Keys from newer molds that haven't seen much usage (like the new molds for this project) as well as keycaps that haven't seen much usage have a fresher texture. My NIB Model F's have far more key texture than my other (used) Model F keyboards from around the same time. Once millions of shots have been made from the molds the texture wears down, but the factory can re-texture the tops every now and then as part of maintaining the molds.

The keys are a replica of the one piece F122 and XT originals in my collection. IBM's keycaps varied over the years and I have interestingly found the later production keycaps (including those on many F107s) to be not as good as the 1983-1985 period IBM originals.

IBM's later 4704 and other Model F caps had noticeably different fonts and had looser quality control - thinner in stroke, more condensed, and less nice looking in my opinion. The project's goal for the aspect of dye sublimation was XT quality fonts, not reproductions of the 4704 fonts (even though the rest of the project is 4704 repro!).

The filled in hole inside the key is possibly a later design by IBM compared to the hole. (The hole is for the ejector pin of the mold!) The earliest keys in my collection have a hole for the most part, as well as the 4 circular designs on the bottom edges as shown, so I put it there. IBM's key designs varied across production lines, across time, and possibly across their different manufacturing facilities.

They probably stopped that design because it puts a lot of stress on the one ejector pin during injection molding. During injection molding of the keys, one of the ejector pins of the most-used type of key (1U) actually broke and needed to be repaired.

In summary, all of the legends are accurate to the 1984 F122 and XT caps in my collection and the keycap part tolerances are within my required +/- 0.1 to 0.2 mm. Forum member Zed did an excellent job recreating the fonts exactly from high resolution scans I sent over.

Regarding the stabilizer inserts, agreed it is best to use the project inserts with project keys and non-project inserts with the non-project keys. The inserts are also more difficult to remove. As many of you probably know, given PBT being more difficult to work with due to shrinkage, getting the PBT parts just right so there is not too little, and not too much space between the key post and inside of the stabilizer insert proved very difficult a few years back, but getting the insert working with the new project keys was the priority over getting a looser fit like the originals.
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by Ellipse
21 Mar 2021, 16:33
Forum: Group buys
Topic: [IC] IBM Doubleshot Key Cap Set Group Buy?
Replies: 38
Views: 3320

Re: [IC] IBM Doubleshot Key Cap Set Group Buy?

Unfortunately there is not enough interest for any of these key sets so I'll be holding off for now on anything requiring a new mold. Less than 50 sets' worth of interest for all three options compared to the 500-1000 minimum order quantity.
by Ellipse
18 Mar 2021, 22:30
Forum: Group buys
Topic: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
Replies: 6276
Views: 925832

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

On GH darkcruix noted a great way to turn on and off the solenoid with keyboard key presses:
Will it be possible to turn a solenoid off and on through VIA, or is that functionality not possible through the software?

I have it set-up and it is working. You just need to choose "Any" and then type e.g. HPT_TOG or any of the other QMK options:


| Name | Description |
|-----------|-------------------------------------------------------|
|`HPT_ON` | Turn haptic feedback on |
|`HPT_OFF` | Turn haptic feedback on |
|`HPT_TOG` | Toggle haptic feedback on/off |
|`HPT_RST` | Reset haptic feedback config to default |
|`HPT_FBK` | Toggle feedback to occur on keypress, release or both |
|`HPT_BUZ` | Toggle solenoid buzz on/off |
|`HPT_MODI` | Go to next DRV2605L waveform |
|`HPT_MODD` | Go to previous DRV2605L waveform |
|`HPT_CONT` | Toggle continuous haptic mode on/off |
|`HPT_CONI` | Increase DRV2605L continous haptic strength |
|`HPT_COND` | Decrease DRV2605L continous haptic strength |
|`HPT_DWLI` | Increase Solenoid dwell time |
|`HPT_DWLD` | Decrease Solenoid dwell time |
My note:
I tried this on the pandrew QMK configurator but with the HPT_BUZ and the solenoid toggle worked. The solenoid was by default set on.

Also the solenoid was activated even with pressing the Fn keys - I thought pressing the modifier keys and Fn keys are not supposed to activate the solenoid?

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