Not having the wherewithal to join 7-bits rounds, I'm seriously considering purchasing one, and wondered what people thought of them.
First we have Hyperfuse
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Next we have Solarized
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And Last, Honeywell
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Any thoughts? Good or bad?
Because of the lack of black numpad keys? I actually like the GMK version, and have it on one of my dailies, and personally think that livingspeedbump did a good job bringing it forward. But I don't use the numpad, so I can see how one might be less than warm about that lack.zslane wrote: ↑You can't actually put together a keyboard with that set that looks like the Honeywell terminal it is supposedly based on.
I mean that Originative has been pushing HiPro lately, and Topre already has the profile. I'm just asking who prefers it and why? It's not a single one, but a single outlet that has three HiPro sets in the works, and I've linked the sets. I haven't typed on it, only on SA. So I was asking what people think about it in general. I know there was another thread where people expressed some opinions but it was for something completely different, and the thread wasn't geared towards it. So I figured I'd start a thread, as I'm looking at purchasing it.Myoth wrote: ↑what do you mean by HiPro ? you have linked a single one of them ? I'm sure I understand the meaning of yourbpost, are you asking which of these colour ways we prefer or how does HiPro (Topre profile) compares to SA ?
They are not SA, if you look at the profile. And they are made by SP, which is very much indicated if you look at one of the product pages. From https://originative.co/sa-sets/#/sa-solarized/Laser wrote: ↑It seems that Originative calls them "Hi Pro" (https://originative.co/sa-sets/), although they are SA sets, made by MAXKEY most probably ... it is quite confusing, yes.
MADE IN WASHINGTON, USA
MANUFACTURED BY SIGNATURE PLASTICS
ABS PLASTIC
DOUBLE-SHOT
HIGH PROFILE
SCULPTED 1-1-2-3-4-4
SOLARIZED PENUMBRA COLORS
it does but the set you linked are just regular SA ... SA is high profile, and HiPro is high profile but SA isn't HiPro.chuckdee wrote: ↑I mean that Originative has been pushing HiPro lately, and Topre already has the profile. I'm just asking who prefers it and why? It's not a single one, but a single outlet that has three HiPro sets in the works, and I've linked the sets. I haven't typed on it, only on SA. So I was asking what people think about it in general. I know there was another thread where people expressed some opinions but it was for something completely different, and the thread wasn't geared towards it. So I figured I'd start a thread, as I'm looking at purchasing it.Myoth wrote: ↑what do you mean by HiPro ? you have linked a single one of them ? I'm sure I understand the meaning of yourbpost, are you asking which of these colour ways we prefer or how does HiPro (Topre profile) compares to SA ?
Does that answer your question?
Well, it's more than just the lack of a black numpad, but that is a major reason. Others are:
They are not. They are hi-pro, and no matter what the link says, if you look at the product pages, they are hi-pro.Myoth wrote: ↑it does but the set you linked are just regular SA ... SA is high profile, and HiPro is high profile but SA isn't HiPro.chuckdee wrote: ↑I mean that Originative has been pushing HiPro lately, and Topre already has the profile. I'm just asking who prefers it and why? It's not a single one, but a single outlet that has three HiPro sets in the works, and I've linked the sets. I haven't typed on it, only on SA. So I was asking what people think about it in general. I know there was another thread where people expressed some opinions but it was for something completely different, and the thread wasn't geared towards it. So I figured I'd start a thread, as I'm looking at purchasing it.Myoth wrote: ↑what do you mean by HiPro ? you have linked a single one of them ? I'm sure I understand the meaning of yourbpost, are you asking which of these colour ways we prefer or how does HiPro (Topre profile) compares to SA ?
Does that answer your question?
the sets here are just good ol' SA, look at the link you provided after this reply ... "originative.co/sa-sets"
So, in other words, you think that livingspeedbump cribbed from someone else? Looking at SA ashen, it has significant differences from GMK Honeywell, and this set. I get that some people are very much traditionalists, but I think that if they were made with Honeywell in mind, the only people that are, in fact, capable of telling people not to call them Honeywell is, indeed that company.zslane wrote: ↑Well, it's more than just the lack of a black numpad, but that is a major reason. Others are:
1. Gray on white alphas rather than black on white.
2. F-row has alternating color blocks rather than all gray.
3. No red keys for the F-row (aside from ESC).
4. Red text-arrow keys? WTF?
Hey, if you want to like those sets, by all means like them. Just don't call them "Honeywell". In fact, that colorway does have its own name, "Ashen". OCO should be selling it under that name, and GMK Honeywell should have been called GMK Ashen.
Why is that onus on me? As I stated, my interest in this was finding out what people thought of Hi-Pro, so I could make an informed decision based on that, as I haven't used it. I provided the links as an example- that's it. Not as a promotion, and not something that I have any involvement in. Yet, it has been turned into something as if I'm an advocate for them.Laser wrote: ↑You will have to come up with some way of proving that the profile is not SA, especially since the keycaps are made by SP.
chuckdee wrote: ↑Not having the wherewithal to join 7-bits rounds, I'm seriously considering purchasing one, and wondered what people thought of them.
Any thoughts? Good or bad?
Look at the pages, rather than just the URLs, and you can get where that comes from. Also from a prior blog post on the subject, before he altered his site design.Khers wrote: ↑The product page urls say sa-sets and sa-whatever. My take home message is that it would be the same horrible sa profile and I don't get where you get the notion it would be something else from.
I'm sorry but how are they not ? it clearly says ''SA Solarized'' ''SA Honeywell'' and ''SA Hyperfuse''. I'm really curious as to why you deny the fact that they are SA in such a defensive way. When even the vendors is calling them ''SA xxxxx'', I don't really see how you can be sure that they aren't ...chuckdee wrote: ↑ They are not. They are hi-pro, and no matter what the link says, if you look at the product pages, they are hi-pro.
That would imply that whatever they launched last year was what they call Hi-Pro, thus it's SA and they just don't care enough to be stringent.Last year we launched hi-pro HyperFuse, and we are bringing it back in Pro 1-1-2-3-4-4.
chuckdee wrote: ↑ All I wanted to know was what the profile feels like to people that actually have used it in any form, in the case that the way they're advertising it is actually correct. I know someone said something about the tops being different. Anything else?
That is what you think, from the evidence you've gathered, even though it says Hi-Pro in the description on the page. I'm not disputing your opinion on that. But that wasn't the question at hand. Those were just examples.Khers wrote: ↑We're merely stating that your question isn't a question as what oco is referring to as hi-pro is sa and thus this hi-pro and sa would feel the same as they are, in fact, the same.
I don't know. I've only ever seen a side image of the profile that Sherry posted. I can't find it currently, but he was comparing it to SA, which is why I don't think they're the same. I don't know that he wasn't blowing smoke, when he talked about working with SA to get these sets right in that regard and bringing a new experience to MX.Myoth wrote: ↑I don't think we can help you unfortunately .. you're trying to ask us something about a profile that nobody apart from you as ever heard about.
the only HiPro I know of is :
but this kind of profile wouldn't be sold by Originative ...
Is this the profile you were talking about ?
OH I think I know what you're tlaking about, aren't you talking about DSS ?chuckdee wrote: ↑I don't know. I've only ever seen a side image of the profile that Sherry posted. I can't find it currently, but he was comparing it to SA, which is why I don't think they're the same. I don't know that he wasn't blowing smoke, when he talked about working with SA to get these sets right in that regard and bringing a new experience to MX.
All I know is that if I order it, I might be getting something like the Topre Hi-Pro as that's what the pictures looked like. And I wondered what people thought about them.
The picture looked more like the first row (num row) was sort of flat-ish, the second row (q-row) Very high, then formed a curve down and then up to the 4th (z) row, which was very high (higher than SA), and the 5th (space bar row) was again flat. It didn't look like anything I'd seen, and in all honesty looked uncomfortable. But that was in a drawing, and I didn't know if it was different when actually seen in person, and when used. Maybe it was just SA and the pictures were off. I don't know.Myoth wrote: ↑OH I think I know what you're tlaking about, aren't you talking about DSS ?chuckdee wrote: ↑I don't know. I've only ever seen a side image of the profile that Sherry posted. I can't find it currently, but he was comparing it to SA, which is why I don't think they're the same. I don't know that he wasn't blowing smoke, when he talked about working with SA to get these sets right in that regard and bringing a new experience to MX.
All I know is that if I order it, I might be getting something like the Topre Hi-Pro as that's what the pictures looked like. And I wondered what people thought about them.
No, I don't think livingspeedbump "cribbed" from an existing set. I think he just picked a medium-dark gray, paired it with white, sprinkled a few red keycaps in and decided to call it Honeywell (mostly because he liked certain limited aspects of Round 5/6 Honeywell, the name in particular). But I would say that both GMK Honeywell and this OCO "Honeywell" set have far more in common with SA Ashen than they do with Round 5/6 Honeywell (or the Honeywell terminal that inspired Round 5/6).chuckdee wrote: ↑ So, in other words, you think that livingspeedbump cribbed from someone else? Looking at SA ashen, it has significant differences from GMK Honeywell, and this set.