Alps Appreciation

4sStylZ

12 Dec 2019, 17:34

Lol. Since some people are enjoying it I can probably give this one as giveaway. He need a bit of tweak, a big sand-paper work but if some people want it, no problem.

I have also the little brother ASK10, the keypad in the same color. :p

BTW The filco skeleton in black finish / mac / japanese lettering is my dream keycap set. So I find this one very cool too.

ntv242

12 Dec 2019, 20:33

Is white alps an absolute upgrade from black alps? Just asking about the regular one, not some fancy early almost - like - blue kind of white alps.

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ZedTheMan

12 Dec 2019, 20:38

Uh, I think it depends on pine vs bamboo as well. Black with slits is better than white without, IMO, and vice versa, due to clunkiness. If they are both "pine" (long slits), I'd argue it's really up to preference.

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E3E

12 Dec 2019, 21:06

ntv242 wrote:
12 Dec 2019, 20:33
Is white alps an absolute upgrade from black alps? Just asking about the regular one, not some fancy early almost - like - blue kind of white alps.
Apples and oranges, really. The more direct upgrade to SKCM Black would be SKCM Cream (not ivory aka damped cream) as several boards exist that originally used SKCM Cream that went to SKCM Black with later models, so Cream can be seen as its most direct predecessor. SKCM Black can be pine or bamboo, as can White, so it really becomes a matter of preference at that point.

I generally do not like any bamboo variant switches myself.

ntv242

12 Dec 2019, 21:41

I have bamboo black, am I at the lowest point so anything would be an upgrade now :p?

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ZedTheMan

12 Dec 2019, 22:02

Well, I think the bamboo clickies are better than bamboo tactiles, but that's really subjective. I would say most alps in good condition would be an upgrade. Heck, I would say that linearizing your current blacks would be a significant upgrade, but that's really just if you like linears.

ntv242

12 Dec 2019, 22:25

Overall, I f***ng love my board, the feeling is awesome. But sometimes the stiffness does make me miss letter, and that can be annoying. What is more annoying is that I no longer enjoy anything that does not have this kind of feedback to my fingers. I just wish that my switches can go a little smoother.
I got this NIB so im sure this is not the problem with the conditions, just how the switch is to my weak ass fingers!

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Polecat

13 Dec 2019, 06:14

flowerlandfilms wrote:
11 Dec 2019, 20:37
Been coveting this for my transparent Alps collection for a long time, finally got one for a sensible price.
It's the Macway version of the Filco Skeleton, and others, from the Strongman series.
Would prefer a PC version but just happy to have one at all.
Were the Filco/Macway transparent keyboards available in all the Mac jellybean colors? Apparently I don't have enough things to collect yet.
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Chyros

13 Dec 2019, 11:12

ntv242 wrote:
12 Dec 2019, 22:25
Overall, I f***ng love my board, the feeling is awesome. But sometimes the stiffness does make me miss letter, and that can be annoying. What is more annoying is that I no longer enjoy anything that does not have this kind of feedback to my fingers. I just wish that my switches can go a little smoother.
I got this NIB so im sure this is not the problem with the conditions, just how the switch is to my weak ass fingers!
Personally, I'd linearise bamboo blacks. Makes them much lighter, and generally, much smoother too. It's a reversible mod too, so if you don't like it, you can just undo it :) .

4sStylZ

13 Dec 2019, 11:26

I am so jealous about those Filco keyboards.

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flowerlandfilms

13 Dec 2019, 19:10

Polecat wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 06:14
flowerlandfilms wrote:
11 Dec 2019, 20:37
Been coveting this for my transparent Alps collection for a long time, finally got one for a sensible price.
It's the Macway version of the Filco Skeleton, and others, from the Strongman series.
Would prefer a PC version but just happy to have one at all.
Were the Filco/Macway transparent keyboards available in all the Mac jellybean colors? Apparently I don't have enough things to collect yet.
Yes I believe so.
The Macways have low profile caps, though whereas the Filcos gave full size. I think that's the difference between them but not confirmed. There is so little information about them.

ntv242

14 Dec 2019, 16:58

Chyros wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 11:12
Personally, I'd linearise bamboo blacks. Makes them much lighter, and generally, much smoother too. It's a reversible mod too, so if you don't like it, you can just undo it :) .
Hi Thomas, yes I have seen your vid on the modding. Seriously consider it now.

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h.parks

16 Dec 2019, 18:36

So, a couple of weeks ago, I took a chance on an Orange ALPS-equipped M0116. It had a chipped-out corner on its case, but it only cost me $65 USD including shipping. The board is dusty but the switches feel excellent, even before cleaning. Though oranges are difficult to compare to other switches, they somewhat remind me of Outemu Skies in much the same way that stunt boats in James Bond movies somewhat remind me of pontoon boats.

I enjoy Orange Alps so much that I decided to tweak a dactyl design to better accommodate ALPS switches (not impossible, after I realized how to properly space out the keycaps) and ALPS stabilizers (difficulty level: christ in a casket). I'm still trying to figure out how to mate the side bezel with the outermost column a little better, but the aesthetics are mostly all there.

One problem with dactyls is that their plates are typically 4mm in order to keep things tidy on a 3D printer. To work around this, on future versions of this design I plan to place a recessed notch on the sides of each keyhole for an ALPS switch to snap into, instead of using superglue or other sacrileges to secure them. The notch would create a 1.1mm ledge, per ALPS spec, but I need to decide how wide that ledge needs to be for the switch to snap in securely. 1.5mm would probably work, no?

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OldIsNew

17 Dec 2019, 01:05

I was recently able to pick up a NOS Zeos branded NTC KB-6251/2. Turned out to have pine white Alps. The switches feel VERY nice.

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I have another pine white Alps board that was moderately dirty. I opened and cleaned all the switches on that board, and while they do feel quite nice, the NOS switches are significantly better. Very pleased with this one!

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Chyros

17 Dec 2019, 08:09

Noice, good find! NOS pine Alps are just sublime :D .

h.parks

17 Dec 2019, 17:13

I think I got the plate cutouts just about right.

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kshopper2084

17 Dec 2019, 20:43

h.parks wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 17:13
I think I got the plate cutouts just about right.
Looks very interesting. I'm loving my Ergo Pro with salmon ALPS switches installed.

There is something sublime in using a modern ergonomic keyboard design with 30-year old switches on it. 8-)

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flowerlandfilms

19 Dec 2019, 01:07

Grabbed a Zenith for cheap because I love laptops with mechanicals.
Turns out to to have Alps integrated Domes, beautiful double shots though.
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ppCircle

19 Dec 2019, 14:45

I've never seen Fk-2002 blue alps one with the escom branding.

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cli

19 Dec 2019, 15:39

flowerlandfilms wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 01:07
Grabbed a Zenith for cheap because I love laptops with mechanicals.
Turns out to to have Alps integrated Domes, beautiful double shots though.

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Nice keycaps...
Still regretting I haven't bought a similar Zenith laptop, the seller didn't want to send it and I was to lazy to pick it up.

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Chyros

19 Dec 2019, 16:39

cli wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 15:39
flowerlandfilms wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 01:07
Grabbed a Zenith for cheap because I love laptops with mechanicals.
Turns out to to have Alps integrated Domes, beautiful double shots though.

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zenith2.jpg
Nice keycaps...
Still regretting I haven't bought a similar Zenith laptop, the seller didn't want to send it and I was to lazy to pick it up.
AID are horrible though, and not pin-compatible with SKCM/SKCL xD .

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abrahamstechnology

19 Dec 2019, 22:01

The blue Alps integrated domes are less mushy than the white ones.

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Muirium
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19 Dec 2019, 22:42

Yup. I’ve got a Zenith laptop board with the blue ones, which aren’t stellar but there’s plenty worse out there, besides: the caps are wonderful!

ntv242

20 Dec 2019, 22:04

I have read that some type writers have alps compatible keycaps right? If yes do we have a list of those exact models somewhere?

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ppCircle

20 Dec 2019, 22:21

ntv242 wrote:
20 Dec 2019, 22:04
I have read that some type writers have alps compatible keycaps right? If yes do we have a list of those exact models somewhere?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90232.0

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flowerlandfilms

21 Dec 2019, 08:38

Chyros wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 16:39
cli wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 15:39
flowerlandfilms wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 01:07
Grabbed a Zenith for cheap because I love laptops with mechanicals.
Turns out to to have Alps integrated Domes, beautiful double shots though.

zenith1.jpg



zenith2.jpg
Nice keycaps...
Still regretting I haven't bought a similar Zenith laptop, the seller didn't want to send it and I was to lazy to pick it up.
AID are horrible though, and not pin-compatible with SKCM/SKCL xD .
Very true, I would not want to type on these for any real length of time.

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flowerlandfilms

21 Dec 2019, 08:39

Muirium wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 22:42
Yup. I’ve got a Zenith laptop board with the blue ones, which aren’t stellar but there’s plenty worse out there, besides: the caps are wonderful!
They are great caps, I prefer the grey ones from my Toshiba laptop aesthetically, but quality wise they are top notch.

ntv242

22 Dec 2019, 11:05

Saw this on the Vietnamese mech market. Bamboo white alps it seems, looks very very very attractive to me, I badly want this now.
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Great, thanks man.

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Chyros

22 Dec 2019, 11:08

ntv242 wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 11:05
Saw this on the Vietnamese mech market. Bamboo white alps it seems, looks very very very attractive to me, I badly want this now.
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Great, thanks man.
Those are not Alps.

Also, I wouldn't settle for bamboo, the pines are definitely better. Of course you can swap the switches though :) .

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