Poll - Caps and Controll swapping

Do you swap Control and Caps Lock?

Yes, I prefer Control swapped with Caps Lock, switched on my keyboard
12
44%
Yes, I prefer Control swapped with Caps Lock, switched in Software
3
11%
No, I have never tried, but I might once
3
11%
No, it drives me crazy
3
11%
No, it seems to be useless
6
22%
 
Total votes: 27

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Lynx_Carpathica

23 Apr 2017, 21:15

Do you, or you don't?
Did it take a long time to get used to?
Thanks for your votes!

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Chyros

23 Apr 2017, 21:19

Have tried it many times, but always found it confounding. I use Caps Lock somewhat frequently, too xD .

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Lynx_Carpathica

23 Apr 2017, 21:32

Just out of plain courioucity, I binded Control to capslock, and scoll to caps. And I have No scroll like so :D
Tragedy. I took of the Control keycap to make me use the Caps lock. I actually like it.

SharpKeys for president :3

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wobbled

23 Apr 2017, 21:35

Kind of forced to have it swapped since I'm using a hhkb at the moment, I prefer the standard caps lock and ctrl positioning though.

Slom

23 Apr 2017, 21:36

I set caps to AltGr, using the windows registry.

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pansku
Member of the Beam Spring cult

23 Apr 2017, 21:41

I think that left of A is a much better place for Control than bottom left corner. It's a much more natural place for it as I use shortcuts almost everywhere I can and rest my fingers on the home row.

First time I tried it with an F XT because there was no place on bottom row to the left from spacebar for both Ctrl and Alt. Now I have it where Caps normally goes on all of my keyboards except one that is for gaming only.

Zombimuncha

23 Apr 2017, 21:50

I tried it just because my FC660M has a dipswitch for it.
I fairly often find myself needing to do a sequence lick Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-V, or similar. With Ctrl up next to A, I needed to release Ctrl before I could hit Ctrl+Shift together. That's a whole extra keystroke. That I'm never getting back. Just to do the same thing as with the standard ANSI layout. I noped outta there in less than a day.

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Khers

23 Apr 2017, 21:57

I have control to the left of a on all my keyboards. On those that have a key where the left control usually sit (I like HHKBs) that key is used to activate a function layer. Caps lock is about as useless as scroll lock and whatever lock; I don't think I've ever activated any of them on purpose.

evenlock

23 Apr 2017, 22:06

+1 khers, I think caps lock is good only for few purpose. I'm thinking a teacher that make sheet for students, fill out documents,...

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Lynx_Carpathica

23 Apr 2017, 22:10

evenlock wrote: +1 khers, I think caps lock is good only for few purpose. I'm thinking a teacher that make sheet for students, fill out documents,...
My friend, and grandma uses it. Presses it, types in a letter, and turns it off. They can't use shift :lol:

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Daniel Beardsmore

23 Apr 2017, 22:29

I've never given it a whole lot of thought. It never made sense to me, because I can't reach ctrl with my left pinky if it's in the caps lock position. I just realised though that, as a proper touch typist, the caps lock position would be easier to reach since it's on the home row.

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DarKou

23 Apr 2017, 22:47

HHKB Layout forever! :D

davkol

24 Apr 2017, 01:18

I used Caps lock only back when I was stuck on Czech QWERTZ: it was the most convenient way to type capitalized accented letters (better than reaching for dead keys in corners of the main section).

Then I switched to Colemak and thus eventually Backspace in place of Caps lock. It was a great improvement at the time.

However, I've switched to keyboards with more thumb keys (e.g., ErgoDox) or "wide mod" since then. Now I can have the Backspace either directly under a thumb, or pretty close to the right pinkie (like on ANSI HHKB, but 1-2 columns closer). That frees up the original Caps lock position for something else: either Control, or Fn.

IMHO pressing combos like Ctrl-X Ctrl-C [in stock Emacs] isn't exactly great that way, though, and I'm leaning towards Fn in that position and Ctrl as a thumb key (or in the corner and pressed with palm/halffist).

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vvp

24 Apr 2017, 03:19

I swap Caps with Esc.

Findecanor

24 Apr 2017, 04:10

I don't swap. The key to the left of A is a third Control key.

I have been used to that position since the Amiga days... where it was used not in desktop programs but in text-mode programs when dialing BBS:es. That was a long time ago.

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ideus

24 Apr 2017, 04:30

I have it switched in all my boards using software that allows me to have my lap top switched as well.

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mike52787
Alps Aficionado

24 Apr 2017, 13:58

I prefer it on 60%s, but tenkeyless and above I like it the normal way. with a 60%, I would just rather have the extra key on the bottom row to use as a second Fn. It is easy for me to switch between boards and layouts.

__red__

24 Apr 2017, 15:29

DarKou wrote: HHKB Layout forever! :D
... and by HHKB layout you mean ADM-3A, Apple IIe, IBM Model F XT, IBM System 9000, IBM Model F AT, IBM Model F 5155, IBM EMR I (and II), Model F 3101...

Just like the "LET" command that originated in Javascript :-)

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Stabilized

24 Apr 2017, 18:55

HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.

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Madhias
BS TORPE

24 Apr 2017, 20:14

On boards with only ALT and CTRL I put - at work - CMD on the Mac and WIN for Windows on CAPS LOCK. I really like that setup, that I try to use it on all keyboard I use.
Stabilized wrote: HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
Haters gonna hate :)

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Lynx_Carpathica

24 Apr 2017, 21:55

Madhias wrote: On boards with only ALT and CTRL I put - at work - CMD on the Mac and WIN for Windows on CAPS LOCK. I really like that setup, that I try to use it on all keyboard I use.
Stabilized wrote: HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
Haters gonna hate :)
I use CMD a lot on macs. I can understand that, though I've got use to Ctrl+esc on windows bc of my model m

__red__

24 Apr 2017, 23:36

Stabilized wrote: HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
I'll assume deepest darkest irony in this post since the ADM-3A pre-dates the HHKB by 20 years.

ADM-3A: 1976.
HHKB: 1996.

Since the original HHKB can with a Sun connector my money is on that they got the position of the CTRL key from the Sun keyboards at the time - For example, Sun Type 5 (1991).

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emdude
Model M Apologist

24 Apr 2017, 23:50

I do not swap because I would feel weird switching things up even though I seldom use Caps Lock.

Having the Control keys in the corner feels more intuitive anyway; the positions of the keys required for the Z/X/C/V combinations (which I use most) match the curve of my hand.

__red__

25 Apr 2017, 01:29

It cause me RSI because I use ctrl-a so frequently (screen / tmux).

I would "tuck" my thumb under my hand and that's what wrecked it.

citrojohn

25 Apr 2017, 12:53

The only time I've used it was on an Acorn Archimedes, at school. Ctrl next to A didn't suit inexact typists, particularly since typing replaced the selected text... I was unusually popular when I found out where Undo was. :cool:
I'm not convinced it'd help me much, since I don't keep my hands on the home row (or even have all my fingers on it at once). But I'd be interested to try it - with a stepped Ctrl key!

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