Poll - Caps and Controll swapping
- Lynx_Carpathica
- Location: Hungary
- Main keyboard: Apple Keyboard M0118
- Main mouse: ROG Sica
- Favorite switch: SKCM Salmon
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Do you, or you don't?
Did it take a long time to get used to?
Thanks for your votes!
Did it take a long time to get used to?
Thanks for your votes!
- Lynx_Carpathica
- Location: Hungary
- Main keyboard: Apple Keyboard M0118
- Main mouse: ROG Sica
- Favorite switch: SKCM Salmon
- DT Pro Member: -
Just out of plain courioucity, I binded Control to capslock, and scoll to caps. And I have No scroll like so
Tragedy. I took of the Control keycap to make me use the Caps lock. I actually like it.
SharpKeys for president :3
Tragedy. I took of the Control keycap to make me use the Caps lock. I actually like it.
SharpKeys for president :3
- pansku
- Member of the Beam Spring cult
- Location: Finland
- Main keyboard: IBM 5251
- Main mouse: Mionix Castor
- Favorite switch: Beam spring
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I think that left of A is a much better place for Control than bottom left corner. It's a much more natural place for it as I use shortcuts almost everywhere I can and rest my fingers on the home row.
First time I tried it with an F XT because there was no place on bottom row to the left from spacebar for both Ctrl and Alt. Now I have it where Caps normally goes on all of my keyboards except one that is for gaming only.
First time I tried it with an F XT because there was no place on bottom row to the left from spacebar for both Ctrl and Alt. Now I have it where Caps normally goes on all of my keyboards except one that is for gaming only.
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- Location: London, UK
- Main keyboard: V80MTS-C
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Matias damped clicky
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I tried it just because my FC660M has a dipswitch for it.
I fairly often find myself needing to do a sequence lick Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-V, or similar. With Ctrl up next to A, I needed to release Ctrl before I could hit Ctrl+Shift together. That's a whole extra keystroke. That I'm never getting back. Just to do the same thing as with the standard ANSI layout. I noped outta there in less than a day.
I fairly often find myself needing to do a sequence lick Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-V, or similar. With Ctrl up next to A, I needed to release Ctrl before I could hit Ctrl+Shift together. That's a whole extra keystroke. That I'm never getting back. Just to do the same thing as with the standard ANSI layout. I noped outta there in less than a day.
- Khers
- ⧓
- Location: Sweden
- Main keyboard: LZ CLSh
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Ergo
- Favorite switch: Buckling Springs | Topre | Nixdorf Black
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I have control to the left of a on all my keyboards. On those that have a key where the left control usually sit (I like HHKBs) that key is used to activate a function layer. Caps lock is about as useless as scroll lock and whatever lock; I don't think I've ever activated any of them on purpose.
- Lynx_Carpathica
- Location: Hungary
- Main keyboard: Apple Keyboard M0118
- Main mouse: ROG Sica
- Favorite switch: SKCM Salmon
- DT Pro Member: -
My friend, and grandma uses it. Presses it, types in a letter, and turns it off. They can't use shiftevenlock wrote: ↑+1 khers, I think caps lock is good only for few purpose. I'm thinking a teacher that make sheet for students, fill out documents,...
- Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 1 (home)/Poker II backlit (work)
- Main mouse: MS IMO 1.1
- Favorite switch: Probably not whatever I wrote here
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I've never given it a whole lot of thought. It never made sense to me, because I can't reach ctrl with my left pinky if it's in the caps lock position. I just realised though that, as a proper touch typist, the caps lock position would be easier to reach since it's on the home row.
- DarKou
- Location: France / Bordeaux
- Main keyboard: HHKB Pro 2
- Main mouse: Logitech G3
- Favorite switch: MX Brown
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HHKB Layout forever!
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- Location: CZ
- Main keyboard: Kinesis Advantage2, JIS ThinkPad,…
- Main mouse: I like (some) trackballs, e.g., L-Trac
- Favorite switch: #vintage ghost Cherry MX Black (+ thick POM caps)
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I used Caps lock only back when I was stuck on Czech QWERTZ: it was the most convenient way to type capitalized accented letters (better than reaching for dead keys in corners of the main section).
Then I switched to Colemak and thus eventually Backspace in place of Caps lock. It was a great improvement at the time.
However, I've switched to keyboards with more thumb keys (e.g., ErgoDox) or "wide mod" since then. Now I can have the Backspace either directly under a thumb, or pretty close to the right pinkie (like on ANSI HHKB, but 1-2 columns closer). That frees up the original Caps lock position for something else: either Control, or Fn.
IMHO pressing combos like Ctrl-X Ctrl-C [in stock Emacs] isn't exactly great that way, though, and I'm leaning towards Fn in that position and Ctrl as a thumb key (or in the corner and pressed with palm/halffist).
Then I switched to Colemak and thus eventually Backspace in place of Caps lock. It was a great improvement at the time.
However, I've switched to keyboards with more thumb keys (e.g., ErgoDox) or "wide mod" since then. Now I can have the Backspace either directly under a thumb, or pretty close to the right pinkie (like on ANSI HHKB, but 1-2 columns closer). That frees up the original Caps lock position for something else: either Control, or Fn.
IMHO pressing combos like Ctrl-X Ctrl-C [in stock Emacs] isn't exactly great that way, though, and I'm leaning towards Fn in that position and Ctrl as a thumb key (or in the corner and pressed with palm/halffist).
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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I don't swap. The key to the left of A is a third Control key.
I have been used to that position since the Amiga days... where it was used not in desktop programs but in text-mode programs when dialing BBS:es. That was a long time ago.
I have been used to that position since the Amiga days... where it was used not in desktop programs but in text-mode programs when dialing BBS:es. That was a long time ago.
- mike52787
- Alps Aficionado
- Location: South-West Florida
- Main keyboard: G80-5000HAAUS
- Main mouse: Zowie EC1-A
- Favorite switch: Vintage MX Black
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I prefer it on 60%s, but tenkeyless and above I like it the normal way. with a 60%, I would just rather have the extra key on the bottom row to use as a second Fn. It is easy for me to switch between boards and layouts.
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- Location: Beamspringville
- Main keyboard: 4704
- DT Pro Member: 0186
... and by HHKB layout you mean ADM-3A, Apple IIe, IBM Model F XT, IBM System 9000, IBM Model F AT, IBM Model F 5155, IBM EMR I (and II), Model F 3101...DarKou wrote: ↑HHKB Layout forever!
Just like the "LET" command that originated in Javascript
- Stabilized
- Location: Edinburgh
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HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
- Madhias
- BS TORPE
- Location: Wien, Austria
- Main keyboard: HHKB
- Main mouse: Wacom tablet
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On boards with only ALT and CTRL I put - at work - CMD on the Mac and WIN for Windows on CAPS LOCK. I really like that setup, that I try to use it on all keyboard I use.
Haters gonna hateStabilized wrote: ↑HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
- Lynx_Carpathica
- Location: Hungary
- Main keyboard: Apple Keyboard M0118
- Main mouse: ROG Sica
- Favorite switch: SKCM Salmon
- DT Pro Member: -
I use CMD a lot on macs. I can understand that, though I've got use to Ctrl+esc on windows bc of my model mMadhias wrote: ↑On boards with only ALT and CTRL I put - at work - CMD on the Mac and WIN for Windows on CAPS LOCK. I really like that setup, that I try to use it on all keyboard I use.
Haters gonna hateStabilized wrote: ↑HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
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- Location: Beamspringville
- Main keyboard: 4704
- DT Pro Member: 0186
I'll assume deepest darkest irony in this post since the ADM-3A pre-dates the HHKB by 20 years.Stabilized wrote: ↑HHKB made it famous though, none of those keyboards would have used it if it wasn't for keyboard hipsters with their HHKBs.
ADM-3A: 1976.
HHKB: 1996.
Since the original HHKB can with a Sun connector my money is on that they got the position of the CTRL key from the Sun keyboards at the time - For example, Sun Type 5 (1991).
- emdude
- Model M Apologist
- DT Pro Member: 0160
I do not swap because I would feel weird switching things up even though I seldom use Caps Lock.
Having the Control keys in the corner feels more intuitive anyway; the positions of the keys required for the Z/X/C/V combinations (which I use most) match the curve of my hand.
Having the Control keys in the corner feels more intuitive anyway; the positions of the keys required for the Z/X/C/V combinations (which I use most) match the curve of my hand.
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- Location: UK (Berkshire)
- Main keyboard: Cherry G84-4400 (work) / Tipro MID (home)
- Main mouse: Tiny trackball or laptop trackpad
- Favorite switch: Model M, until I try something rarer ;)
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The only time I've used it was on an Acorn Archimedes, at school. Ctrl next to A didn't suit inexact typists, particularly since typing replaced the selected text... I was unusually popular when I found out where Undo was.
I'm not convinced it'd help me much, since I don't keep my hands on the home row (or even have all my fingers on it at once). But I'd be interested to try it - with a stepped Ctrl key!
I'm not convinced it'd help me much, since I don't keep my hands on the home row (or even have all my fingers on it at once). But I'd be interested to try it - with a stepped Ctrl key!