Any info on the Toshiba T1500?
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
So the other day whilst scrolling through the depths of Ebay I happen upon this vintage XT looking keyboard. Labelled Toshiba T1500
Intrigued I send the bidder a lowball opening bid. and after some talking and the mention of an AT101W for sale we end up agreeing on a price.
Now I knew nothing about this board going in. Total gamble. So, imagine my surprise when I receive the board a few days later, take of a cap, and am greeted by a very familiar sight. An ALPS slider!
Indeed I found out after purchase that this keyboard uses old Alps SKCL Green linear switches! Which REALLY piqued my curiosity,
Now why I write all this is simple. I want to know if anyone has any further information on this particular keyboard. All the info I could find online was a dead forum thread regarding the Toshiba T1500 Personal Computer and a weird magazine ad.
Furthermore, would a basic XT to USB converter work for this particular board? Like tinkerBOY's IBM AT/XT converter. I'm not entirely sure if it's an IBM compatible, or if it sends out entirely unique scancodes. I'd really like to try daily driving this board on modern hardware!
Thank you for reading, if you have any info post it below. Following are a few pictures of the board in question.
Intrigued I send the bidder a lowball opening bid. and after some talking and the mention of an AT101W for sale we end up agreeing on a price.
Now I knew nothing about this board going in. Total gamble. So, imagine my surprise when I receive the board a few days later, take of a cap, and am greeted by a very familiar sight. An ALPS slider!
Indeed I found out after purchase that this keyboard uses old Alps SKCL Green linear switches! Which REALLY piqued my curiosity,
Now why I write all this is simple. I want to know if anyone has any further information on this particular keyboard. All the info I could find online was a dead forum thread regarding the Toshiba T1500 Personal Computer and a weird magazine ad.
Furthermore, would a basic XT to USB converter work for this particular board? Like tinkerBOY's IBM AT/XT converter. I'm not entirely sure if it's an IBM compatible, or if it sends out entirely unique scancodes. I'd really like to try daily driving this board on modern hardware!
Thank you for reading, if you have any info post it below. Following are a few pictures of the board in question.
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
Apologies for bumping this but I figured I'd post an update,
I've recently gotten a basic Din 5 to PS/2 passive adapter, in the hopes that this board would just use the AT protocol and be easily converted to PS/2 without any active converter. (The board has lock lights which was an indicator to me that it at least isn't XT)
Whilst power does get through to the board no data seems to actually make it to my PC. I can sometimes get the lock lights to turn on/off but that's about it.
Does this mean that I'm dealing with something proprietary Toshiba here? Or should I roll the dice and get an AT/XT to USB converter. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.
I've recently gotten a basic Din 5 to PS/2 passive adapter, in the hopes that this board would just use the AT protocol and be easily converted to PS/2 without any active converter. (The board has lock lights which was an indicator to me that it at least isn't XT)
Whilst power does get through to the board no data seems to actually make it to my PC. I can sometimes get the lock lights to turn on/off but that's about it.
Does this mean that I'm dealing with something proprietary Toshiba here? Or should I roll the dice and get an AT/XT to USB converter. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: ANSII Mod F AT
- Main mouse: Logitech MX518
- Favorite switch: Micro Switch SW
Given the layout I would have assumed it used the XT protocol. Sometimes XT era boards will control the lock lights keyboard side, like on the Zenith Z-150, and still use the XT protocol, so I do think there is a chance of success. Be warned that XT protocol boards have been known to not work without additional resistors in the converter, like the Z-150 and the DC-2014, so sometimes the prebuilt converters sold by Orihalcon may not work. I have no idea if this is the case for this board, however.
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
That would actually explain why the lock lights sometimes worked when it has power! Alright brilliant. Would something basic like the tinkerBOY converter work? It uses Soarer's firmware and would save me the headache of soldering it up myself, especially cause I've previously had quite a lot of trouble trying to make an ADB converter (which also resulted in me buying a tinkerBOY in the end)SOTGO wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 16:52Given the layout I would have assumed it used the XT protocol. Sometimes XT era boards will control the lock lights keyboard side, like on the Zenith Z-150, and still use the XT protocol, so I do think there is a chance of success. Be warned that XT protocol boards have been known to not work without additional resistors in the converter, like the Z-150 and the DC-2014, so sometimes the prebuilt converters sold by Orihalcon may not work. I have no idea if this is the case for this board, however.
- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
I'm the one with the Zenith Z-150 adventure.
You'd probably have to ask tinkerboy @ tinkerboy.xyz or through ebay if his implementation of the Soarer's Converter includes resistors. There's another thread in here, somewhere, where someone was asking if Orihalcon's implementation of the Soarer's Converter has resistors, so you might want to look for that.
My fun with the Z-150 is documented here. I've got a pretty straight-forward set of instructions on how to build Hasu's TMK Converter listed there, too. While I do now have a bit of experience putting together Soarer's and TMK converters, I think putting them together is pretty easy to do and I'm looking forward to playing with key mapping with an IBM terminal and TMK, as I can use a GUI to do that.
Note that the Z-150 does have an extra line for reset. I have no idea if the Toshiba has that. You might also have a clicker/buzzer. The TMK on the Z-150 has functionality for beeping built-in, although that may just be something inherent to the keyboard and not the controller.
You'd probably have to ask tinkerboy @ tinkerboy.xyz or through ebay if his implementation of the Soarer's Converter includes resistors. There's another thread in here, somewhere, where someone was asking if Orihalcon's implementation of the Soarer's Converter has resistors, so you might want to look for that.
My fun with the Z-150 is documented here. I've got a pretty straight-forward set of instructions on how to build Hasu's TMK Converter listed there, too. While I do now have a bit of experience putting together Soarer's and TMK converters, I think putting them together is pretty easy to do and I'm looking forward to playing with key mapping with an IBM terminal and TMK, as I can use a GUI to do that.
Note that the Z-150 does have an extra line for reset. I have no idea if the Toshiba has that. You might also have a clicker/buzzer. The TMK on the Z-150 has functionality for beeping built-in, although that may just be something inherent to the keyboard and not the controller.
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
I thank you for your insanely useful advice! I shall continue to do some digging and see what I find, maybe I can figure out if the keyboard was manufactured by a 3rd party and potentially relates to a different model number somehow.
- TheInverseKey
- Location: Great White North
- Main mouse: M570
- Favorite switch: Hi-Tek 725 Linear
- DT Pro Member: 0216
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This keyboard was manufactured by Alps Electric and this is a great find! There is very little documentation on Toshiba Personal Computers.
If you have any more information about the system that this came from or more pictures of the keyboard's inside that would be amazing.
If you have any more information about the system that this came from or more pictures of the keyboard's inside that would be amazing.
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
Ask and you shall receive!TheInverseKey wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 16:35This keyboard was manufactured by Alps Electric and this is a great find! There is very little documentation on Toshiba Personal Computers.
If you have any more information about the system that this came from or more pictures of the keyboard's inside that would be amazing.
Baffled how I didn't notice the Alps Electric logo sooner btw, silly me!
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- Willy4876
- Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
- Main keyboard: Focus FK-2001 with Alps Doubleshots
- Main mouse: Logitek MX Master 2S
- Favorite switch: Blue Alps
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I'm under the impression that pretty much all old Toshiba keyboards (including their laptops) were Alps made. I haven't actually come across a Toshiba with Alps in it yet that wasn't made by Alps.
- TheInverseKey
- Location: Great White North
- Main mouse: M570
- Favorite switch: Hi-Tek 725 Linear
- DT Pro Member: 0216
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Spoiler:
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps
TheInverseKey wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 22:42Thanks for all the pictures, still trying to figure out all the Toshiba Personal Computers as there is very little information about them.Spoiler:
Frankly all I ever found out was a weird thread burried away in the archives of the internet. Never really did find any conclusive information on this Keyboard or the accompanying computer however
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- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Tulip ATK 02.01.01 Tactile
- Main mouse: Logitech G603
- Favorite switch: Alps