As always sorry for bad English and low quality video

this, i love my ml keyboardandrewjoy wrote: ↑Nice review
If you don't like them ML i will take them ... for free.
Its good we are getting a new low profile switch, its silly that they don't make them work with ML caps tho.
I got them from a completely difference source and planning to use them on my next project. MD is not even aware of their existenceKRKS wrote: ↑and whether Matt3o getting them first means they'll only sell them without a six digit MOQ on assdrop or is just a coincidence.
I saw this comingKRKS wrote: ↑Also I couldn't help but chuckle when you called ML's "worst switches ever made".
Kurplop wrote: ↑Thanks matt3o for the preliminary review.
Having built a custom keyboard with ML switches, I'm familiar with their shortcomings yet still enjoy their short throw and less bulky size and still think it was a good choice for my Alumaplop for those reasons and I've been using it exclusively for the last year.
It will be interesting to get a report after the Kailh switches are tested in a keyboard. I remember thinking that the ML's were better than they really were when I just pressed them between my thumb and finger. Let's hope for the best. I think there could be a big market for a smooth operating, low profile switch with a short throw.
Kurplop wrote: ↑andrewjoy–The Alumaplop is my custom ML ergonomic keyboard which I began using last June. Because it was designed to be used with a laptop with portability being paramount, I was attracted to the ML switch. https://flic.kr/s/aHsk9S87aK
They absolutely deserve the bad rap. They’re *suuuuper* scratchy, they bind horribly when you hit them even slightly off axis, the contacts are easily dirtied and get chattery, they need to be desoldered before disassembly and they’re annoying to disassemble and pretty fragile, they’re very annoying to lubricate which is particularly unfortunate because as mentioned they’re almost unusably scratchy when unlubricated, they only come with weird sizes of keycaps which make it hard to build custom keyboards (I think I’d recommend Kurplop’s do-it-yourself-style keycaps to anyone wanting to make a serious ML custom project) and the “standard” ML boards are often in wacky layouts which are too compressed horizontally to comfortably type on, and there’s basically nothing interesting or inspiring about typing on them. There’s nothing remotely “amazing” about the sound.andrewjoy wrote: ↑ML in my view get a very bad rep that they in no way deserve, they sound amazing, [...]
the closest are the brown, they are smoother and much stabler. They are like cherry mx clear with a shorter travel.cookie wrote: ↑How are they compared to real ML switches?
I have tried one Cherry ML keyboard that did not feel super-scratchy, but I suppose that they are very sensitive to dust.jacobolus wrote: ↑[Cherry ML] absolutely deserve the bad rap. They’re *suuuuper* scratchy, ...
The scratchy ones I’ve tried were brand new, still wrapped in plastic. Dust was not the issue.Findecanor wrote: ↑I have tried one Cherry ML keyboard that did not feel super-scratchy, but I suppose that they are very sensitive to dust.
Well, nice little "hands-on" thenmatt3o wrote: ↑okay. the video was a hands-on not a review. just a first impression but I hadn't time to post a full review.
Ah, okay. That kind of sucks. Yes, the ML stem is closer to the top of the housing, so it's probably the upper part of the Kailh one that hits the cap. I've tried some ML "upside down" and they work with stock caps, so I thought the ones without the ridge would, too.The switch has indeed a ridge and they are "mountable" on a 1.3mm plate. I say it between "" because you'd need very specifically crafted keycaps that Kailh have not done yet.
Anyway it's not the ridge that prevents standard cherry ML to function. Cherry ML keycaps hit on the clear housing before hitting the ridge. I haven't measured them but I'm pretty sure the stem position on kailh and cherry is different (it's more centered on kailh).