modernised G80-3000, now in TKL !

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Myoth

18 May 2020, 21:36

https://www.cherry-world.com/g80-3000-s-tkl.html
G80-3000sTKL_Datasheet_EN (003).pdf
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They dropped the ISO layout, added RGB, put the switches in the wrong direction and did some funky stuff with the layout. But, and it's a huge but for me, this is a plateless keyboard, it's exactly what's so great about Cherry in the first place, not only because of the feel, but because the modding ability/serviceability. That's the one point other manufacturers have not been able to do well (if at all) in the last 30 years.

Which is why I think this is a step in the right direction. Despite seemingly being a gamer keyboard sugarcoated to appeal to vintage nerds like us, this has some good bases, and I'm really interested in what this could potentially end up being. It could easily be fixed by a single pcb, and become one of the best custom keyboards, as it would be the only truly pcb-mounted custom. I'm really excited to see something like this!

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depletedvespene

18 May 2020, 21:48

Bad looks, ugly font, uncompliant legends, ANSI layout for no actual reason, ¿and possibly forcing a national layout onto the keyboard itself?... the whole works of a cheap-ass gamer-y keyboard.

And yet, the thing that strikes me the most is "CHERRY button for instant access to software information and the CHERRY website". A key (between Esc and F1 with no separation, to boot) that will take the user to web pages full of propaganda is definitely not a good addition.

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TheInverseKey

18 May 2020, 21:52

This might be in the right direction but the G4mer keycaps is something that would keep me away from buying this. Looks like they are trying but we shall see what the future of keyboards holds for Cherry.

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Redmaus
Gotta start somewhere

18 May 2020, 21:53

Honestly, the only thing I have a serious disgust with is the font. Use something classy

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Myoth

18 May 2020, 22:11

the caps aren't a problem, really, I assume most people have good mx caps they could use on it if it were to suit them

and as for the Cherry cap, that is a very way of putting things, I have to admit, but I think this is just commercial bs to sell their Cherry utility software which is used to control RGB. this is to be expected on a gam3r board

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depletedvespene

18 May 2020, 22:22

Myoth wrote:
18 May 2020, 22:11
and as for the Cherry cap, that is a very way of putting things, I have to admit, but I think this is just commercial bs to sell their Cherry utility software which is used to control RGB. this is to be expected on a gam3r board

Yes, but that key's placement is surprisingly idiotic. Even Logitech does it better:

Logitech cheap-ass RD.
Logitech cheap-ass RD.
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Myoth

18 May 2020, 22:29

depletedvespene wrote:
18 May 2020, 22:22
Myoth wrote:
18 May 2020, 22:11
and as for the Cherry cap, that is a very way of putting things, I have to admit, but I think this is just commercial bs to sell their Cherry utility software which is used to control RGB. this is to be expected on a gam3r board

Yes, but that key's placement is surprisingly idiotic. Even Logitech does it better:


LogitechRD.png
I actually agree with you for once, this key would have been better in the middle of F12 and Print Screen, no questions asked. It would have been trendy even ! (see these recent keyboards : KFE and Jane V2 CE)

note that the asymmetric placement of the key on the exemple you brought up is absolute despiseful though

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depletedvespene

18 May 2020, 22:31

Myoth wrote:
18 May 2020, 22:29
note that the asymmetric placement of the key on the exemple you brought up is absolute despiseful though
No disagreement here, either!

The real problem in that Logitech board (besides the presence of a "Logitech key" in the first place, of course) is that the separations between each block is smaller than 0,25U... a distance that IS kept between each of the key groups between Esc and the Logitech key and between said row and the alpha and nav blocks.

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depletedvespene

18 May 2020, 22:42

So I took a moment to watch the ad on Youtube.

I'll leave this here before abandoning the horse for dead:

Classic design. CLASSIC.
Classic design. CLASSIC.
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Myoth

18 May 2020, 23:01

it kind of does actually :

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the front and side are very reminiscent of the G80-3000 :

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EDIT : or at least that's what I think they meant by "Classis Design"

Findecanor

19 May 2020, 00:30

*coff* The product code is actually G80-3830 for the non-backlit and G80-3831 for the backlit.

I noticed how much it resembles the "MX-Board 8.0". That one has almost identical keycaps (except that Caps Lock and Scroll Lock have now got proper windows) and 0.25u spacing between key groups.

Indeed, the Cherry button should have been placed in-between F12 and PrtScr: then there would have been 0.25u spacing throughout.
Edit: Omitting the Cherry key and using 0.5u spacing throughout would have been even more classic though.
There is no reason to have a dedicated Cherry key if you have a Fn key!!
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gianni

Yesterday, 14:32

What am I looking at. It is available ansi only? No ISO? I wonder what the korean version look like, is it ansi too? thanks

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Myoth

Yesterday, 14:41

gianni wrote:
Yesterday, 14:32
What am I looking at. It is available ansi only? No ISO? I wonder what the korean version look like, is it ansi too? thanks
indeed, no ISO. the korean version should be ansi has well with a few more keys on the bottom row.

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abrahamstechnology

Today, 02:38

I don't like it anymore. It just looks like any $20 Chinese gamer keyboard now.
I really like the old G80 cases because they actually looked like a classic keyboard.

Why can't we have any modern fullsize cheap mech keyboards without any "gamer" or backlit BS?

andrewjoy

Today, 09:59

The shape of the case edges i like. Other than that, why would i buy this over a good old filco? Excluding unicorn piss LEDs everywhere.

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