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Fair enough, guess I'll have to hold out until the end and then make a decision. May just have to stick to a Triumph+base 60% or else I'll be spending too much.matt3o wrote: ↑at the very end we'll see how each kit performed. Based on that we'll evaluate what keys could be added. The set performed relatively well, but the sub-kits didn't sell that much, ie: people mainly bought the base kits.
And as usual the ISO and International kits underperform significantly. If this is because of shipping and customs charges, then the EU desperately needs its own version of MassDrop (and probably one that isn't "members only", since that seems to be anathema to European sensibilities).matt3o wrote: ↑...the sub-kits didn't sell that much...
Well, keyboard customisation is (not yet ?) a thing in Europe.zslane wrote: ↑ And as usual the ISO and International kits underperform significantly. If this is because of shipping and customs charges, then the EU desperately needs its own version of MassDrop (and probably one that isn't "members only", since that seems to be anathema to European sensibilities).
Hm, international and UK together are 150 kits, with 1500 base kits, so 10% EU people. 90 international kits on 1500 base kits are around 6%. Let's compare it to dasher: 100 ISO kits on 1250 base kits, 45 norde kits on 1250 base kits, that's 3.6% of all kits. Other sets like plum/carbon should have been worse than this one too (but we should take in mind that the Chinese numbers are still missing). Either way 90 international kits seem pretty good in regard of the magic 100 moq with gmk kits which was always failed till now.zslane wrote:And as usual the ISO and International kits underperform significantly. If this is because of shipping and customs charges, then the EU desperately needs its own version of MassDrop (and probably one that isn't "members only", since that seems to be anathema to European sensibilities).matt3o wrote: ↑...the sub-kits didn't sell that much...
I think the member of this website would disagree with your first statement. DT is primarily European in its composition.lossendae wrote: ↑ Well, keyboard customisation is (not yet ?) a thing in Europe.
Furthermore, keycaps sets are almost always exclusively in AINSI. International kits miss some keys, are more expansive not counting transport fee.
workshop-f7/spherical-buckling-spring-t ... 11186.htmlPOTV wrote: ↑Forgive me if this question has been afsked before - but why not make these keycaps for buckling spring switches. Is the market too small?
No one has done it before so there is a high risk, low reward. But we will know better how well a new buckling spring keycap can sell when Ellipse's Model F revival keyboard is done. That all being said thats my opinion on the matter, not sure about matt3o's motivation.POTV wrote: ↑Thanks - I know there are other attempts on DT. I was just curios about the market aspect...
I'm very grateful to rsbseb for giving it a try. I sure hope he proves the conventional wisdom wrong with SBS.zslane wrote:I just don't think there is enough demand to make production of a fully sculptured spherical keycap family for buckling spring switches economically feasible.
I totally agree. A rising tide raises all boats, right? The more cool new stuff that comes along, the more people see a vibrant hobby/community, and the more it grows, making it easier to reach MOQs in the future.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑I'm very grateful to rsbseb for giving it a try. I sure hope he proves the conventional wisdom wrong with SBS.zslane wrote:I just don't think there is enough demand to make production of a fully sculptured spherical keycap family for buckling spring switches economically feasible.
SBS is definitely a high risk venture as nothing about the project transfers into any other segment. Everything is unique to the IBM keyboards. However I do believe there is a solid future with buckling spring switches and suspect we will continue to see that segment grow, Especially if new and innovative products supporting the use of buckling spring switches is made available.zslane wrote: ↑I totally agree. A rising tide raises all boats, right? The more cool new stuff that comes along, the more people see a vibrant hobby/community, and the more it grows, making it easier to reach MOQs in the future.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑I'm very grateful to rsbseb for giving it a try. I sure hope he proves the conventional wisdom wrong with SBS.zslane wrote:I just don't think there is enough demand to make production of a fully sculptured spherical keycap family for buckling spring switches economically feasible.
I don't see much hate on Massdrop, the site is barely known outside of enthousiast communities (not limited to keyboard).codemonkeymike wrote: ↑All of the hate for Massdrop is pretty unjustified.
From my perspective, I am not interested in swapping my Model M keycaps because I like my Model M keycaps. I swapped caps on my other keyboard because their low profile drove me nuts, but I find the Model M comfycodemonkeymike wrote: ↑No one has done it before so there is a high risk, low reward. But we will know better how well a new buckling spring keycap can sell when Ellipse's Model F revival keyboard is done. That all being said thats my opinion on the matter, not sure about matt3o's motivation.POTV wrote: ↑Thanks - I know there are other attempts on DT. I was just curios about the market aspect...
I assume that the production by Unicomp means that there is not a lot of room for competitors. I'm surprised that no one has resurrected beamsprings, but maybe it is because they are expensive to produce and there is a limited marketXMIT wrote: ↑Are the IBM buckling spring patents all expired now? If so that should open the flood gates for commercial development. US patent 4118611 would have expired in 1994.