new big skcm blue alps

NeK

25 May 2020, 05:04

Sweet!!!!! 👍👍👍

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kralcifer

25 May 2020, 06:00

This project looks like a lot of fun to work on. Keep it going!

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SneakyRobb
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01 Jun 2020, 22:45

Hi,

So my spring came and it seems to work with the top housing on the desk. Slight problem is that the lower housing part nub is a bit too big. So I will need to make a new one with a smaller nub. Regardless It's coming along!

Comparison of the template for the leaf spring/switch plate metal part. I will get the square punch to make the inside cutout nicer.
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Fit of the old leafspring piece on the switch plate. Bit too big.
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Better fit of the new one.
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All the switch pieces with the 1st and 2nd gen style click leafs.
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Top of the switch with the spring inside
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and the sad doh moment of seeing that I forgot to make a bottom part with a smaller nub to sized for the new spring
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PlacaFromHell

02 Jun 2020, 01:16

Would you consider it's easier to work with a bigger switch than a real-sized one? Loooks good for prototyping.

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SneakyRobb
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02 Jun 2020, 02:21

PlacaFromHell wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 01:16
Would you consider it's easier to work with a bigger switch than a real-sized one? Loooks good for prototyping.
Hi it's definitely easier to make a bigger switch than a smaller one. Much easier to hand cut metal etc. Its good for prototyping but there is one consideration.

There is a minor thing to keep in mind. The variances are scaled up with the switch. I can adjust the sizes of various parts by quite a bit of ranges.

I have huge leeway with things like the return spring. But I've found for the alps click leaf that even the slightest of changes bend wise make the click disappear.

So if you are making a big click leaf. It's great. But if you are scaling down your big click leaf design suddenly your slight error makes it not click. It can be harder to adjust those smaller pieces.

The main thing is that scaling the switch down might not necessarily be as easy as reducing every measurement by 4x.

Some materials like thin metals might not scale correctly requiring changes. For instance in my alps switch the switch plate metals are 1.3mm thick. Which is 4x scaled up.

Imagine if the skcm blue alps never existed and I was prototyping a new click switch in this thread. I might not think 1.3mm metal was required. That 1.3mm metal is me scaling up the switch plate .3mm to .4mm metal of the small one to the big size. If I was independently making a new switch I might use .6mm thick metal. Why not? For my big switch that is sufficient. Scaling that .6mm down though would make it be too thin for a small scale switch.

For very complicated switches this could be a slight issue.

It's not the biggest problem though, just a consideration to keep in mind.

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SneakyRobb
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02 Jun 2020, 02:33

Here is what I mean. Again, this is not a major issue at all but if your switch is complicated it could add some minor headaches later if you design the big one first.

This skcm blue has its contact switch plate thickness here. And this novel keys big switch has a comparable thickness contact.

If you independently designed the big switch then scaled it down the metal contact would be too thin.

Also some metals might stop bending/deforming in the correct way at different scales. They might just crease and fold if directly scaled down. Or not bend or snap if scaled up.

Just something I noticed.
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PlacaFromHell

02 Jun 2020, 03:44

Nice. Thanks dude, anyways my switch lacks of a mechanical simulated click, I just want to be able to guess a force curve. I may use some wood.

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SneakyRobb
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05 Jun 2020, 05:33

HI,

Hopefully have the printed new bottom part with the correct nub for spring soon.

For now I've started to model the switch in fusion360. Here are the STL files for the stem and top housing so far.

I was using a random stem model I found before, but now I have made my own. Which is great.

The upper housing is missing the chamfering, but otherwise they are much more accurate than the previous ones. Must figure out how to share parametric models.

kralcifer has been a great help with parametric modelling and fusion360. It has been great learning how to make parametric models. The ones I have are pretty inefficient, but the abilities the system unlocks are great.

https://grabcad.com/library/skcm-stem-and-top-housing-1
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SneakyRobb
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08 Jun 2020, 17:49

Hi,

So I was able to have the new lower housing part printed. The spring that I got now fits.
Can't remember if I mentioned this was the spring I got
https://www.primeline.net/sp-9705-compr ... ring-steel

Its a bit heavy, but will work for now.
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The tape on the 3d printing bed came up with the print. A curious colour and a sign of things to come.
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So lets assemble it
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It fits and works!
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Of course almost immediately a corner tab broke
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I reused the shipping foam from the professional bigswitch to hold it
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So prototype number 1 is complete!

What is next
Redo the lower housing in the fusion360
Redoing the switch plate in fusion360
Deciding how to do the electrical connection part. I may get the 2 switch plate pieces water jet cut from steel, unsure.
Testing if the various thicknesses of steel can handle the deformation/metal leaf piece
Get the square cutter I ordered to make the leafspring nicer.
Reliably generate the bump in the leafspring that presses the switch plate
Reduce upstroke click

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kralcifer

11 Jun 2020, 04:31

I love it. The video looked very satisfying to click! My next fidget cube.

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SneakyRobb
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01 Aug 2020, 19:08

I have black and blue resins now and will attempt to print this in the proper colour.

As well I decided to get a custom face mask. Thought I would share. I used Daniel Beardsmore SVG alps file from the wiki and coloured it blue. Then I made the slider into a bit of a smile. Will arrive next week. Mask preview image:
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SneakyRobb
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08 Sep 2020, 00:44

SneakyRobb wrote:
01 Aug 2020, 19:08
I have black and blue resins now and will attempt to print this in the proper colour.

As well I decided to get a custom face mask. Thought I would share. I used Daniel Beardsmore SVG alps file from the wiki and coloured it blue. Then I made the slider into a bit of a smile. Will arrive next week. Mask preview image:

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Hi,

Will continue this project after beamspring project but... I did get the mask. It is exactly as silly as you might think.

*The keen might notice the top housing for the skcm blue alps says "ALPS." which is not necessarily correct. Also, I used Daniel beardsmore's switch recognition model uploaded to DT wiki so I must acknowledge that.

Anyway, enjoy the rediculousness
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M9HM

18 Sep 2020, 12:17

any idea of what are you using the giant switch for yet?
I suggest a couple things:
-make it into a giant enter key (like those usb fluffy things you pound to hit enter) so you can hammer it down to send emails and stuff.
-go big or go home and make the world's biggest keyboard, full layout XD

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SneakyRobb
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19 Sep 2020, 02:39

M9HM wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 12:17
any idea of what are you using the giant switch for yet?
I suggest a couple things:
-make it into a giant enter key (like those usb fluffy things you pound to hit enter) so you can hammer it down to send emails and stuff.
-go big or go home and make the world's biggest keyboard, full layout XD
Hi,

Conceptually I made this switch for trouble shooting , testing switch concepts and inspiring. Making my own switches. A 4x scale is great. You can cut metal to fit. You can see better and touch. Whether it's a cherry MX, scale beamspring or alps switch. 4x scale allows more hands on thoughts.

I think there was actually a 4x scale keyboard. I think if you watch chyros review of the novelkeys 4x they show a 4x scale razor board.

Regardless the "point" of this project is perhaps novelty but more than that to inspire. I want to finish beamsprings first but this will be right after that

M9HM

19 Sep 2020, 13:25

SneakyRobb wrote:
19 Sep 2020, 02:39
M9HM wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 12:17
any idea of what are you using the giant switch for yet?
I suggest a couple things:
-make it into a giant enter key (like those usb fluffy things you pound to hit enter) so you can hammer it down to send emails and stuff.
-go big or go home and make the world's biggest keyboard, full layout XD
Hi,

Conceptually I made this switch for trouble shooting , testing switch concepts and inspiring. Making my own switches. A 4x scale is great. You can cut metal to fit. You can see better and touch. Whether it's a cherry MX, scale beamspring or alps switch. 4x scale allows more hands on thoughts.

I think there was actually a 4x scale keyboard. I think if you watch chyros review of the novelkeys 4x they show a 4x scale razor board.

Regardless the "point" of this project is perhaps novelty but more than that to inspire. I want to finish beamsprings first but this will be right after that
It is a great project and inspiring for sure. I am in the middle of a project I will post on the workshop once it's finished, I'm curious about how people will receive it as it involves acer switch over membrane and not everyone likes them, but they are everywhere and I can get them for free without much trouble.

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