ISO-layouts (DE/ES/FI/IT/NO/PT/SE/UK)
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
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It is always the same problem with every group buy:
Too many different language layouts which are ordered by too few people.
If we agree on some little changes in each of these layouts, we can save a lot of money, or get our stuff at all!
Here is the EURO kit containing all necessary legends:
These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).
Let me know what you think about it.
Too many different language layouts which are ordered by too few people.
If we agree on some little changes in each of these layouts, we can save a lot of money, or get our stuff at all!
Here is the EURO kit containing all necessary legends:
These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).
Let me know what you think about it.
Last edited by 7bit on 08 Dec 2012, 21:30, edited 1 time in total.
- Ekaros
- Location: Finland,
- Main keyboard: FILCO MAJESTOUCH 105 MX Brown SW/FI
- Main mouse: Razer
- Favorite switch: MX Clear
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M and E are pretty much same actually might help with clarity. For > < | combining those don'r really hurt it either.7bit wrote:It is always the same problem with every group buy:
Too many different language layouts which are ordered by too few people.
If we agree on some little changes in each of these layouts, we can save a lot of money, or get our stuff at all!
Here is the EURO kit containing all necessary legends:
These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).
Let me know what you think about it.
I'm not sure if someone for more traditional looks like the 5 % € either ;D
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
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UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.Soarer wrote:FR?
UK?
If you can live with @ on the 3 there are still 4 additional keys for the UK layout.
A one-fit all kit including US-layout and some different keyboard types might come with 200-250 key caps.
Price from GMK might be something between 180-250 EUR.
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- Soarer
- Location: UK
- Favorite switch: F
- DT Pro Member: -
Poor FR7bit wrote: UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.
As for UK - try selling that to the Americans! But if they'd go with that, then you don't need 3 £ in the Euro kit. (I guess you already dropped 2 " on the same basis).
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
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I think that is the problem:Soarer wrote:Poor FR7bit wrote: UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.
As for UK - try selling that to the Americans! But if they'd go with that, then you don't need 3 £ in the Euro kit. (I guess you already dropped 2 " on the same basis).
The most want standard US layout (either TKL or 101/104) and don't care about the others.
With SP it was difficult enough to get some people together to buy language kits, but with an MOQ of 400 this might be impossible. I really hope they change their mind and come with a more prectical MOQ.
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
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The more I think about that, the more I like it!
One one fit all kit with 250 keys for all thinkable keyboards with a lot of extra function keys for the price less than a used Russian layout keyboard!
Just have to agree upon one color scheme ....
One one fit all kit with 250 keys for all thinkable keyboards with a lot of extra function keys for the price less than a used Russian layout keyboard!
Just have to agree upon one color scheme ....
- Soarer
- Location: UK
- Favorite switch: F
- DT Pro Member: -
TBH, all this chasing after this month's colours is not helping the problem
Ya know, a 'refresh' kit wouldn't be a bad idea, which just includes the keys that get shiny on s/h stuff
Ya know, a 'refresh' kit wouldn't be a bad idea, which just includes the keys that get shiny on s/h stuff
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- BimboBB
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 2 (mx brown)
- Main mouse: Logitech G400
- Favorite switch: mx brown
- DT Pro Member: -
Damn you!7bit wrote:The more I think about that, the more I like it!
One one fit all kit with 250 keys for all thinkable keyboards with a lot of extra function keys for the price less than a used Russian layout keyboard!
Just have to agree upon one color scheme ....
But would be better than to have each language completely in the pack, means no crossover caps. So you could take out your caps and selling the remaining packs within Europe. So every buyer of that "big pack" has to find a few buyers around Europe buying his remaining language packs. Sounds like a bloody snowballsystem.....
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Personally, I would be fine with a set where only the Alt-Gr and Shift-Alt-Gr symbols are left out. There are symbols on the Alt and Alt Gr layer that I use that are not normally printed on the keys anyway. The important thing for me is that the symbols that are there are correct.7bit wrote:These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
The problem are the 400 sets!tlt wrote:How about a set with common keys for ansi and iso and than add-ons for language groups(. How many unused keys would that save?
If they don't come down to less, things like BEPO, COLEMAK, DVORAK and NEO aren't even thinkable!
- damorgue
- Location: Sweden
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Below the "6 &" key you have marked there is an almost identical one. It only adds another character. To the right of the key at the bottom there is a key with the same legend but with an addition. Same with the topmost one which has a similar to the left of it.rodtang wrote:Us proud Norwegians would need these :
I recon the key cap legends which are included in others are unnecessary. If one cap has A, and the other has A and B, then the second choice ought to suite the ones who wanted the first choice.
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- Daniel
- Location: Blackforest Germany
- Main keyboard: Various
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade + MX518
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I thinks it's a good idea as this would make future group buys more solidary and as a whole cheaper for everybody with sth. different than US layout. The chances to sell used set will be higher as well. It's a pity that the french layout doesn't fit into the set...
- GMC
- Location: London
- Main keyboard: KBT Pure / WASD V1 ISO
- Main mouse: Logitech G9x
- Favorite switch: cherry mx brown
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Tbh if we had all the us international symbols on the standard us keys, I'd be happier, though it would not be the ideal solution.
US International ISO by Gregor.Mc, on Flickr
US International ISO by Gregor.Mc, on Flickr
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
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C'mon folks.
After blaming the ANSI-ists for not wanting to include keycaps which they do not need themselves, you can't just deplore the French/Belgian layouts are so different that they, alas!, really cannot be included
Thanks to 7bit anyway for making such a global inventory of all-European keycaps.
And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend
After blaming the ANSI-ists for not wanting to include keycaps which they do not need themselves, you can't just deplore the French/Belgian layouts are so different that they, alas!, really cannot be included
Thanks to 7bit anyway for making such a global inventory of all-European keycaps.
And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
Strg key caps (at least in Cherry beige/grey) are around in masses.kbdfr wrote:... And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend
My favorites are:
Datenfreigabe and Groß.
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- BimboBB
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 2 (mx brown)
- Main mouse: Logitech G400
- Favorite switch: mx brown
- DT Pro Member: -
Tripleshots?GMC wrote:Tbh if we had all the us international symbols on the standard us keys, I'd be happier, though it would not be the ideal solution.
US International ISO by Gregor.Mc, on Flickr
kbdfr wrote: And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend
I love "Steuerung"!
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
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I mean 1.25 "Strg" keycaps. I can't remember having seen many of them in the last 15 to 20 years7bit wrote:Strg key caps (at least in Cherry beige/grey) are around in masses.kbdfr wrote:... And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend
My favorites are:
Datenfreigabe and Groß.
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
1.25 units are not necessary anymore.kbdfr wrote:I mean 1.25 "Strg" keycaps. I can't remember having seen many of them in the last 15 to 20 years7bit wrote:Datenfreigabe and Groß FTW!
Nowadays, we exclusively use 1, 1.5 and 2 units.
Also, what is Strg anyway?
Strang?
Streng?
String?
Strong?
Strung?